Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by trinsic2 on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:00PM
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How is doing a sanity check incendiary in your view again?
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Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by ffssffss on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:05PM
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I think he wrote the comment in bad faith. The non-invertability is part of the problem, and he completely doesn't understand that. So at best he just wants to argue about race and has no interest in the technical material. Anyway, even if you had "ratio of blacks to whites", that still wouldn't be a very good piece of data, because it says nothing about the geographical distribution or diversity of social interactions which is what people mean when they say a neighborhood is "integrated".
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by jeffreyrogers on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:15PM
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I don't see why non-invertibility matters. Lots of useful features are non-invertible.
Edit: and if you are dealing with real data sets or producing real datasets for analysis you will often have only approximations to the thing you want to measure. Determining whether your proxy variable is worth including or how to interpret your results in light of it are necessary skills to develop.
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by guipsp on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:44PM
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The feature is bad. The non-invertibility means that you cannot get back the original data that was used to generate the feature, and try to salvage it.
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by josephcsible on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:59PM
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Sure, that makes it less useful. But why is that so bad that the entire dataset should be discarded and not used, even for uses that don't care about that particular part of the original data?
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by guipsp on Friday December 30, 2022 @06:09PM
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If you want the dataset, scikit even tells you how to get it. If you just want an example dataset, there are better ones. I mean, this seems somewhat like the Lena debacle: why insist on this particular dataset?
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by generalizations on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:08PM
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> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by ffssffss on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:10PM
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Sadly, assumptions of good faith are easily exploited by bad actors (the classic term for this is "just asking questions") but I suppose you're right, I should not have assumed malice.
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by generalizations on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:15PM
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Better one one mud slinger than two, for the sake of the community. Guilty of it myself too many times. Cheers.
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by josephcsible on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:08PM
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> The non-invertability is part of the problem, and he completely doesn't understand that.
I get that invertibility means that you can't fully recover the original racial percentage, e.g., that a 48/52 split and a 78/22 split will both look exactly the same, since (.48-.63)^2 and (.78-.63)^2 are equal. I don't see why that totally taints the entire dataset.
Re:Boston Housing Price Dataset was Removed from scikit-lear...
by europeanguy on Friday December 30, 2022 @05:10PM
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> I think he wrote the comment in bad faith. The non-invertability is part of the problem, and he completely doesn't understand that.
If he doesn't understand it, then it's not in bad faith. Right?