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Re:Ask HN: Tutorials Written with Heavy Dependencies by PeterisP on Thursday December 29, 2022 @06:39PM (#34179633)
In many fields you're expected to work at some higher abstraction level above "how things really are working", in which case all the tutorials will use the primitives of that abstraction level.

In this case, if you want to understand how stuff works, you should explicitly look for things that are not labeled "tutorials" - often textbooks will be a decent example, covering the principles and theory behind these abstraction layers which you'll then use in practice.

Re:Ask HN: Tutorials Written with Heavy Dependencies by bilekas on Thursday December 29, 2022 @07:14PM (#34179927)
> In many fields you're expected to work at some higher abstraction level above "how things really are working", in which case all the tutorials will use the primitives of that abstraction level.

Great point, I used ML only as an example, GraphQL was another that came up in comments.

Books are a good resource, or college literature for example, but from an approachable point of view, without knowing the 'basics' it's hard to consume.

Re:Ask HN: Tutorials Written with Heavy Dependencies by readonlybarbie on Friday December 30, 2022 @01:51AM (#34182591)
Which is kind of a shame, to be honest. I would dare say that even x86 assembly is less complicated to understand than many of these libraries, where time is spent trying to memorize their semantics rather than understanding how data is modified and how systems communicate with each other.

It is true that a lot of platform specific nastiness and complicated math occurs in some of these libraries which is not necessary for a user to learn. But for those desiring to learn "what's happening under the hood", the code should not make an effort to needlessly obscure this from them by way of complicated syntax, poor interface design, academic naming practices, and big unwieldy spaghetti classes.

Re:Ask HN: Tutorials Written with Heavy Dependencies by giraffe_lady on Friday December 30, 2022 @03:47AM (#34183223)
idk man I already got a couple hobbies and one serious domain of expertise I'm just tryna get work done and get paid here. might be a shame to you but I'm so grateful I don't have to dig through a compiler manual or whatever to do my job.
Re:Ask HN: Tutorials Written with Heavy Dependencies by readonlybarbie on Friday December 30, 2022 @01:05PM (#34187803)
Agreed, with the only caveat being, there is a chance that the current favorable market conditions for programmers disappears.

There might come a day where companies believe that the value of slapping a few potentially buggy libraries together is not worth $xxx,xxx per year. I for one kind of hope that companies return to buying/contracting well-defined finish products with small external studios rather than throwing money at W2 developers like us. I think the software quality will be higher, and the risk of our jobs being outsourced lower, wherher rightfully so or not.

Re:Ask HN: Tutorials Written with Heavy Dependencies by CrimsonRain on Friday December 30, 2022 @03:45AM (#34183212)
Can you link some examples? Appreciate it.