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Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by lolinder on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:09PM (#34134493)
For the same reason why it might produce a bogus answer: it's a language model, not a general AI. Prompt it for footnotes and it will generate footnotes for books that don't exist or that don't actually contain the citation. They'll match the form of a footnote, because that's what the model was trained to do, but the citations won't resolve.

For example, I asked who the first president of Argentina was. It gave the wrong name (Juan Manuel de Rosas) with a half-true bio. I then asked it for books where I can learn more about this person.

It produced five books. None of the book-author pairings were correct, though three of the books were real and four of the authors actually wrote books. Of the four authors that existed, three actually did write about Argentina's history, while one is a professor of Spanish and gender studies.

This is my point: ChatGPT was trained to produce text, not to produce facts. What I'm seeing here isn't just something that can be optimized away, it's fundamental to the model's design. It was basically told to produce text that looks like it could have been written on the internet. Its text is really convincing: when I saw the list of books I thought for a minute it had actually done it! But it's still just inventing text that reads well, because that's what its training was optimizing for.

It could be paired with a different system that searches for facts, but then it's just a friendly abstraction layer on top of Google or some other system, not a revolution in search.

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by hasmanean on Sunday December 25, 2022 @11:41PM (#34134659)
That makes sense. The only thing about gpt that impressed me was when I asked it to condense an answer into one sentence, it was able to do it.

Other than that it betrayed no understanding of the material. It rather resembled a high school kid who had read a few too many books and spouted platitudes about any and all subjects without being aware of what was really going on.

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by bandrami on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:00AM (#34134754)
OTOH I could imagine a hybrid situation where the AI Bot searches Google for you and restates the millions of results Google gives it
Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by lolinder on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:15AM (#34134807)
I agree that a hybrid could work, although ChatGPT struggles to keep context with more than a dozen paragraphs, so I doubt it could summarize millions of results.

And in either case, you're not solving the problem that commenters here are trying to solve: Google's bad results will still affect your search, so ChatGPT will be fed largely by dubious blogspam.

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by janalsncm on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:42AM (#34134948)
Even in a small number of paragraphs language models hallucinate. For example Barack Obama, it’s not hard for me to trick it into saying he was born in Chicago. He was not. But there’s a ton of text about Barack Obama in Chicago. Plus, Michelle was born there. When predicting the most likely next token for “Barack Obama was born in ______” there’s a lot of confounding text.

No, there’s a fundamental issue in that statistical language models don’t start with facts to form sentences, they form sentences based on previous tokens and statistical weights. The weights are not auditable or easily updatable.

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by bandrami on Monday December 26, 2022 @03:31AM (#34135815)
And any kind of "tuning" of the weights to get better results is going to be so bespoke that you might as well just curate the response yourself
Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by 082349872349872 on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @05:51AM (#34147524)
So LLM's are pretty much Mark V Shaney at heart, only with enough weights to get to the far side of Eliza?
Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by bandrami on Monday December 26, 2022 @03:32AM (#34135820)
Though for that matter a ChatGPT based product would be even more vulnerable to the same thing that made Google search suck: content sources gaming its process
Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by SV_BubbleTime on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:13AM (#34134802)
This was my immediate thought as well. I don’t need millions of searches done, I need 20, then a language model to look through them and collect text that helps me find what I’m looking for.

The lucky thing for Google if they got it working, is they are half there already. As much as I despise Google, I have to admit GPT won’t be their death.

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by mrkramer on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:43AM (#34137560)
Google already does this it is called Knowledge Graph[0].

[0] https://support.google.com/knowledgepanel/answer/9787176?hl=...

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by amelius on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:11AM (#34137716)
> This is my point: ChatGPT was trained to produce text, not to produce facts.

That's only because it was trained on non-facts also.

But that holds for Google Search just as well ...

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by lancesells on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:37AM (#34137895)
I think there's a difference in presentation.

Google Search gives you links to content that might have the answer (excluding their own box). You can see the differences between the authors of said content.

ChatGPT gives you content that looks like the answer. You can't see the authors of the generated content.

Re:AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines by amelius on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:49AM (#34137996)
Do you think that ChatGPT can't be trained to output links to sources?