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Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by akira2501 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:05PM (#34130055)
The Hunter Biden laptop story was real. The FBI knew it was real. The FBI lied to corporations like Twitter to stop accounts from legitimate publications from reporting on it right before an election where it certainly could have impacted the outcome.

Twitter went even further and prevented people from exchanging the story with each other in DMs.

I honestly don't see how you could be comfortable with this, unless you're willing to disregard their actions because they happen to protect the party you agree with at the moment; or because you're presuming that the FBI would never use this relationship to operate in bad faith.

Twitter didn't go to the FBI to ask for verification, the FBI on their own accord decided to take their "intelligence" to Twitter for action that they desired. This is obviously backwards.

If Twitter wants to call up the FBI for verification or for information on a particular subject, tweet, or account because they wanted to investigate.. that would obviously be fine. That is clearly not what is happening here.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by stefan_ on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:08PM (#34130109)
Ahh yes, all those tweets the FBI reported that Matt forgot to tell you were straight up revenge porn. I really wonder why they were deleted! If only he could have found out using, like, the Web Archive, as many others did afterwards.

(It was the Trump government FBI, by the way. In case your timeline is a bit mixed up?)

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Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by livueta on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:22PM (#34130270)
I tried vouching for your post but that apparently wasn't enough, sorry.

It's mindbending that a topical, polite comment like that would be flagged/dead when the rest of the thread is (perfectly alive) literal vitriol, but pointed in the other direction.

And just for anyone questioning the factuality of the original comment, here's NPR on the topic: https://www.npr.org/2022/04/09/1091859822/more-details-emerg...

I guess we've reached the self-reinforcing point in the evolution of the censorship regime where evidence of censorship is itself censored. Never thought I'd see the day.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by creato on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:40PM (#34130439)
> You people are very quick to muddy the waters here.

Funny, I’d say it was people that can’t seem to cite any evidence without dick pics that are “muddying the waters”.

I’ve read these twitter files posts from Taibbi and Weiss. It’s all insinuations based on contact between government agencies and twitter. The actual content being discussed is not interesting.

The biggest red flag this is all raising for me is why FBI agents are sitting around searching for small time election misinformation like talking about voting a day late. Is there nothing higher priority to work on? And how has twitter not automated finding such basic misinformation?

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by Jarwain on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:02PM (#34130684)
Mismatch in incentives and priority? My impression is that the FBI only has a team or two dedicated to these searches. However, it is much closer to their mandate to keep an eye out on election misinformation and otherwise "protect our democracy"
Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by turtleyacht on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:35PM (#34130395)
Even if flagged, isn't that just a -1? I've seen grey posts turn dark after an upvote before.
Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by flagsrule on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:43PM (#34130460)
Well it's dead now and it was a very reasonable post. This site is full of bias.
Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by Ygg2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:44PM (#34130487)
> were straight up revenge porn.

Citation needed. Even Wikipedia lists it as an abandoned laptop that was trawled for data. Trash as far as I know is legitimate object of search (e.g. police does it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by stefan_ on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:42PM (#34131023)
> Revenge porn is the distribution of sexually explicit images or videos of individuals without their consent

I don't know man, you could have just googled that yourself.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by ajross on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:49PM (#34130546)
The smoking gun email in the "Part 1" Twitter Files thread from Taibbi was a request from the Biden Campaign to look at a list of otherwise-undescribed-and-since-removed tweets. This was strongly implied to be a request for censorship of the laptop story.

Then someone found an archived copy of all but one of the tweets, and they all turned out to be pictures of Hunter Biden's penis.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by Ygg2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:11PM (#34130757)
> Then someone found an archived copy of all but one of the tweets, and they all turned out to be pictures of Hunter Biden's penis.

Yes, he left his images on laptop. That's not revenge porn, as far as I know.

> The smoking gun email in the "Part 1" Twitter Files

Don't quote me on that, but from my memory not only were links to Hunter deleted, but so were discussions of it from even reputable journalist. I think it was a Washington Post that discussed Hunter's laptop, and it got buried or deleted.

That's only Part 1.

They also marked Trump tweets as fake, even though they found some exonerating information and vice versa.

Plus the weekly meetings with FBI/OGA (alias for CIA), around misinformation spreading tweets, etc.

You basically have a government agency labeling stuff as misinformation for deranking/deletion. If that doesn't raise any First Amendment issues, I'm not sure what will? Capturing journalist and keeping them in horrible conditions? Water torture and organ transfer of said journalists?

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by NickNameNick on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:57PM (#34131155)
Re-distributing intimate material without the subjects permission is pretty much the definition of revenge porn.
Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by Ygg2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:56PM (#34131833)
> In late 2020, a controversy emerged involving data from a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden that was abandoned at a Delaware computer shop.[1] The data was subsequently shared with the FBI, Republican operatives, and later the press.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

That's a very strange definition of revenge porn. It was made inadvertently by Hunter Biden, it wasn't used for blackmail and it is related to a bulk of other interesting email.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by belltaco on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:34PM (#34132688)
Revenge porn isn't necessarily always used for blackmail. Why didn't the FBI, Republican operatives, or the press blur Biden Jr.'s penis before making it public? It was obvious political vendetta. What public interest is served by leaking it unredacted?

Definition of revenge porn from a quick googling is:

>Revenge porn is the distribution of sexually explicit images or videos of individuals without their consent

This fits the description 100%.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by NickNameNick on Sunday December 25, 2022 @07:22PM (#34133093)
dictionary.com:

"revenge porn - noun - revealing or sexually explicit images or videos of a person posted on the internet, typically by a former sexual partner, without the consent of the subject and in order to cause them distress or embarrassment."

It's not a question of who took the photos. It's a question of whether the people sharing them had the permission of the subject to share them.

While Blackmail may be a component of some revenge porn, it's not required by this or other definitions.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by Ygg2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @07:35PM (#34133202)
Ok, but say a public figure is involved in a scummy situation, and left their laptop detailing their shady dealings (along some naked pictures) at repair shop and forgot about it, but a journalist managed to get docs from said laptop including naked pictures, does it invalidate the whole cotnent of laptop as revenge porn?

By point is, having naked pictures on your laptop don't make docs and other stuff found as revenge porn.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by belltaco on Sunday December 25, 2022 @07:51PM (#34133312)
You're misunderstanding the thread. So let me lay it out.

The Biden campaign in 2020(they were not in power, Trump admin was) sent a list of tweets to Twitter asking them to take a look alleging that they violated Twitter's rules on revenge porn. Twitter took down those tweets. Matt Taibibi implied this was government/Twitter censorship, and the right wing went ape shit over it. People found the archived versions of those tweets, mainly from politician Republican influencers, and they were nothing except pictures of Hunter's penis. Nothing to do with his business dealings or emails on his laptop that were leaked.

The Republican operatives who privately received the leaked laptop contents didn't even blur the private parts. Are they revenge porn? Arguably. Was this an example of government censorship, or censorship of political discourse? No. The Trump Whitehouse was also reporting problematic tweets to Twitter contacts for potential violation of Twitter terms. Nobody is claiming the Biden laptop business dealings, emails etc. were revenge porn.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by Ygg2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:29PM (#34133550)
> You're misunderstanding the thread. So let me lay it out.

You're misrepresenting the story.

One big omission is this:

> On October 14, 2020, the New York Post published BIDEN SECRET EMAILS, an expose based on the contents of Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop:

> Twitter took extraordinary steps to suppress the story, removing links and posting warnings that it may be “unsafe.” They even blocked its transmission via direct message, a tool hitherto reserved for extreme cases, e.g. child pornography.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598831212310601728 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598831435288563712

> and they were nothing except pictures of Hunter's penis

It wasn't. https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden... Find me a picture of penis in this news or prove that mtaibbi had somehow distorted this.

They treated a legitimate news, that was obtained by gray means as a child porn and de-ranked it.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by belltaco on Monday December 26, 2022 @11:09PM (#34145016)
I am referring to these tweets in the two tweets from Matt Taibbi.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598827602403160064

This shows that they were pornography:

https://twitter.com/Schneider_CM/status/1598832424754073601

Yet Matt Taibbi used those to spread baseless propaganda without giving the context behind the removal of those tweets. That clouds the rest of the claims too. Matt isn't interested in the truth. He's being a political hack serving partisan interests.

And even he was forced to concede that he couldn't find anything from the govt about the laptop.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598833927405215744

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by thereare5lights on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:42PM (#34130456)
Revenge porn is not a “real story”

Figures like Rudy Giuliani had direct and personal access to the laptop and yet what bombshell evidence do we have today?

This story is so damning that the tweets people on the right keep spreading are literally just revenge porn.

Some “real story”.

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by DontchaKnowit on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:54PM (#34131805)
The "real story" from the laptop had notjing to do with any pictures but rather emails that were recovered describing payments that were to be made to Joe Buden via Hunter as a bag man.

Thats the only actually serious thing uncovered by the laptop

Re:The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence com... by ajross on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:46PM (#34130505)
> The FBI lied to [...] Twitter to stop [...] reporting on [The Hunder Biden laptop story]

OK, that's the takeaway that Taibbi and Musk wants us to absorb. But... can you link to the actual spot in the (sigh) "Twitter Files" that actually shows this? Because like the grandparent poster did and reported, I looked for it. And it's not there.

There's a bunch of mid-level bland communication that if you squint might be understood as a bunch of underlings carrying out orders in pursuit of that. Or it might just be a bunch of folks trying in good faith not to push a suspect story at a sensitive time.

There is absolutely no evidence of the kind of conspiracy you allege here. It's just not there. Which given the sourcing (the CEO is directing the investigation!) means it probably doesn't exist within Twitter. It's just not there. Where's the meat here?