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Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bladelessninja2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:02PM (#34128786)
How did you get from stadium to police? The whole idea why people organize themselves in countries is to ensure internal and external safety and thus that everyone pay taxes for police, army and courts. Everything else is an addition and in my opinion even undesired to fund by whole community - you can always organize fundraiser or start a private enterprise for such things.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bumby on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:29PM (#34129071)
I was interesting that to some people (not me, though) a stadium is a public good and this worthy of public tax dollars to support. Just like the police or schools.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bladelessninja2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:35PM (#34130968)
Like you said: it's the matter of opinion, public safety, though, is not.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bumby on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:38PM (#34130990)
Then use schools as an example. Or utilities. It’s not hinged on whether or not it’s a a safety issue, it hinges on whether it’s considered a public good.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bladelessninja2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:20PM (#34131419)
I have suspicion you haven't read my first comment in this thread.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bumby on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:31PM (#34131550)
Possibly not, as it’s not inline with this. But I’m not not sure it negates the point that whether or not an individual values a particular thing does not determine if it’s a public good.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bladelessninja2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:37PM (#34132715)
I repeat: public safety is THE reason why we organize in countries, so police, army, justice system is in COMPLETELY different category - it is something essential, the rest is disputable. That's why you cannot compare them with, e.g. schools, there are decent countries without public education, yet, there is no serious country without police/army/courts.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bumby on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:56PM (#34134066)
This still does not negate the fact that citizens also organize other public goods. Just because an individual deems them non-essential does not mean they aren’t public goods. As public goods, the collective citizenry has deemed them worthy of public funding. Libraries are not safety essential, yet they are still public goods. Whether or not they are ubiquitous or “essential to safety” has no bearing on whether they are public goods anymore than it matters if a singular individual disagrees with that designation.
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bladelessninja2 on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:24PM (#34134225)
I thought I was talking to an intelligent person - do you understand that "necessary" is totally different category than "nice to have"? What's the point of having libraries if they will be looted or bombarded on the very next day? How can you still don't understand that having or not having the police forces is not comparable to having or not having libraries?
Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bumby on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:41AM (#34137546)
Again, you seem to miss the point. The hierarchy of importance does not matter in determining if it's a public good. Something can be a low priority and still be a public good. You seem determined to have an entirely different conversation.

Also, please review the HN guidelines.

Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bladelessninja2 on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:12AM (#34137721)
> Also, please review the HN guidelines.

Yeah, I know, you downvoted me, I don't mind, enjoy yourself.

But, again, to the point (because you still missing mine): I don't argue libraries shouldn't be subsidized from taxes, I even clearly stated it's the mater of personal opinion (if you read carefully you'd know), I argue that you just cannot mention libraries and the police in one breath like you did, simply because they are not of the same kind - the library (again - kinda tired of repeating myself) CAN be subject of discussion, but police, army, justice system - CANNOT.

Re:Taxpayers paying billions for the renovations and constru... by bumby on Monday December 26, 2022 @11:42AM (#34139250)
It's not about me enjoying myself; the guidelines are there to help ensure a civil discourse. For what it's worth, I was not downvoting, somebody else already did so before I saw your comment.

And for the last time, I was not equivocating. I've said that multiple times; there is no disagreement despite your insistence on pretending there is. The through-line is not that they are equal, it's that they are both public goods of varying degrees. You are reading too much into the comments and inserting arguments that are not there.