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Re:Life Is Short (2016) by brutusborn on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:32AM (#34125421)
That’s why he said “religious constructs” and not “religions”. I believe religious systems are useful, but I agree with the parent that concepts like the afterlife are absurd concepts used to alleviate existential dread. Maybe this utility means it isn’t absurd, but I would say that many religions don’t have the concept of an afterlife, so other less-absurd concepts may provide the same functionality without the same cognitive distortions.
Re:Life Is Short (2016) by thinkingemote on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:35AM (#34125427)
Some might view something as a mystery that another views as an absurdity. I think a mystery is more interesting and less ... (Edits: hmm I don't know what the word is.)
Re:Life Is Short (2016) by brutusborn on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:54AM (#34125525)
In this case I think that the mystery of life requires something to avoid existential angst, and some people use the afterlife as that something. Other religions (like Buddhism) might view the entire question of “what is this?” as absurd, and so use methods like meditation to help alleviate the angst, thus avoiding absurd beliefs.

TLDR: the mystery isn’t the absurdity but our reaction to it might be absurd.

Re:Life Is Short (2016) by feanaro on Sunday December 25, 2022 @01:36PM (#34129773)
Buddhism has plenty of "absurd" beliefs of this sort. If anything, the delineation of "absurd" is anything but simple.
Re:Life Is Short (2016) by brutusborn on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:48PM (#34132827)
Yeah some sects can get whacky. I think the core Buddhist tenets are pretty much absurdity free but I agree that it’s not simple to determine.

Are there any beliefs in particular you were thinking of?

Re:Life Is Short (2016) by feanaro on Friday December 30, 2022 @11:06AM (#34186287)
The six realms of existence, hungry ghosts (pretas), siddhi, sacca-kiriya, the cosmic buddhas, the Pure Lands...
Re:Life Is Short (2016) by dfadgasfdads on Sunday December 25, 2022 @03:02PM (#34130680)
As you're portraying believing in the hereafter as a cope for existential dread, you could say the opposite.

The disbeliever tries to ridicule the concept of an afterlife as to allievate the dread of being held accountable for their deeds on the day of judgement which would likely lead them to an eternal and painful hell.

In Islam, it's very clearly mentioned that each individual will be judged according to their deeds. There are two destinations possible paradise or hellfire.

Other religions that came before have often tried to tone down this reality by either removing accountability like Chrisitanity with the concept of Jesus (peace be upon him) having died for our sins or by simply removing the concept of an afterlife all together.

The Quran clearly tells us that many prophets were sent in the past with revelation but as time passed on they were falsified by people. In light of this, one could easily see how polytheistic religions came about.

In the end Islam is the last religion and it was intended to be preserved which makes it unlike any other religion in the world today. It has one book there a no multiple different versions. It is perfectly constructed and there are 0 inconsistencies and errors. No arab linguist can deny that.

Allah sent the previous prophets specifically for their nations however the last prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was sent for all mankind until the end of times.

Give the quran a read. https://quran.com Do some research on the topic. YouTube is a great ressource for this. Make your own opinion.

In light of this, I still want to invite you to become muslim. Islam answers all the questions Chrisitanity and other religions couldn't. Most importantly it will save you in the hereafter. I'd suggest putting your hand on a hot stove (not too hot) and ponder. Do you really want something like this for yourself and for eternity?

Re:Life Is Short (2016) by brutusborn on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:47PM (#34132813)
I respect your passion and faith but I think you are very mistaken.

I tried to read some of the Quran but couldn’t find anything that spoke to me. Can you recommend any good sections or translations? Maybe the parts that make you so certain of the afterlife?

I will criticise one of your points since it seems fairly objective. Aren’t there many versions of Quran and countless hadiths? https://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

Re:Life Is Short (2016) by erenyeager on Monday December 26, 2022 @05:32AM (#34136445)
When you say different versions of Quran, what you are talking about is very different from something like different Bible versions and edits and translations etc.

The Quran is multi form. Oral texts tradition and from the Hadith we know that the Quran was recited in different modes by the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. But these are all valid revelation. Actually one of the “miracles” linguistically about the Quran is how the authentic Qiraa’aat (the reading-out of the Quran) can be traced back to a chain of reciters authentically. And each Qiraa’aat adds eloquence to the Quran and it also speaks to the people of a certain dialect. Think about British English and American English and how the same word can be pronounced differently, and you begin to approach an understanding of Qiraa’aat.

Actually, different Qiraa’aat are essential to the revelation of the Quran and giving evidence about how it has been revealed as an “Arabic Quran” in which many examples of mankind and prophets are related.

These qiraa’aat add enhancement to the meaning of the Quran. For example, if you look up tafsir Al-Qurtubi [not sure if there is an English translation but you can find the Arabic text on Quran.com] (tafsir is an explanation of the Quran), of (verse 87 from chapter 20)[https://quran.com/20/87 ] you will find that the word ملكنا has three different readings مِلكنا ، مُلكنا، مَلكنا which when we transliterate to English we get: mulkinaa, milkinaa, malkinaa. Malkinaa and milkinaa translate to “our will”. Mulkinaa translates to “our power”.

And all together in the verse it enhances the meaning that shows that the Children of Israel were made to carry the burdens of weight of the jewelwery/ornaments from the Pharoah’s people.

Also in this verse, we have two readings for حملنا which are: حُمِّلنا and حَمَلنا which is hummilnaa, and hamalnaa, respectively. Hummilnaa is the passive voice and means “we were forced to carry”. While “Hamalnaa” translates to “we carried”.

Both of these convey a similar meaning of carrying, they enhance aspects of what is happening in the verse. Passive voice focuses on how people were forced to Carry while the active voice focuses on how people indeed did carry.

This is just one example of how important and helpful knowing Qiraa’aat are and Arabic.

Re:Life Is Short (2016) by feanaro on Sunday December 25, 2022 @05:19PM (#34132073)
If you take a step back, it is a great and profoundly absurd mystery that there is existence at all.

So given this background absurdity, how do you even delineate what's absurd and what's not, when it comes to concepts relating to the nature of existence itself? It's certainly fashionable to attempt putting everything in terms such as "cognitive distortions", but it's not clear it's sound reasoning when it comes to things like this.

And I say this as a rather staunch irreligious person.

Re:Life Is Short (2016) by brutusborn on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:37PM (#34132713)
What kind of concepts would be hard to delineate?

I like the Zen approach to mystery, which is to accept it and resist the temptation to rationalize the mystery away. Thus no absurd concepts are needed, since concepts are not needed. (I’m relatively new to Zen so I may be off the mark a bit here, but I think I got the essence correct)