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Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by Swenrekcah on Saturday December 24, 2022 @05:57PM (#34122003)
> People choose to do this. This isn’t required and it’s recommended against in modern vehicles.

I’m curious about that recommendation, do you know why that is?

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by trentgreene on Saturday December 24, 2022 @06:29PM (#34122310)
Because it’s much more efficient to heat up a modern car by driving it than it is to let it idle.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by justsomehnguy on Saturday December 24, 2022 @07:32PM (#34122766)
You need N joules to heat up the 300kg of the engine. It doesn't matter if you sit there for 15 minutes freezing your ass with an engine running at 1500rpm (and all other car parts still freezing) or 5 minutes actually driving at 3000rpm - you still spent N joules on heating, difference is the time. And the car heater runs on the engine heat, not on the electricity, so the sooner you would warm the engine the sooner your car interior start to warm and stops seeping the heat from engine.

It's actually more importantly to have enough viscosity in ATF, but again, the sooner you would go the sooner it would warm.

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nottorp on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:46AM (#34125729)
It's possible you need to idle for 10 minutes just to scrape the ice off your windows though :)
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by rad_gruchalski on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:19AM (#34126250)
You don’t need to idle the car for 10 minutes to scrape the ice off. You can scrape it off with the engine off.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nottorp on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:35AM (#34126327)
For the good of the engine maybe. For the good of the driver... when you're finished scraping off it's better inside. Plus the windows kinda warmed up so it's easier to scrape.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by rad_gruchalski on Sunday December 25, 2022 @07:20AM (#34126605)
Not sure what is the assumption. I have the opportunity to scrape the ice off of the car many times a year.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by justsomehnguy on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:06AM (#34126908)
Depends on the weather. There were a multiple times when the running engine heating up the windshield was the necessary prerequisite to scrape the ice off.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by nottorp on Sunday December 25, 2022 @08:12AM (#34126945)
Its just that I care more about my comfort than wear on the engine
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by msrenee on Sunday December 25, 2022 @09:57PM (#34134074)
I've definitely had a serious enough layer of ice on the windshield that my nice scraper was an exercise in futility. Maybe 2-3 times a year, but it's a thing.
Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by lelanthran on Sunday December 25, 2022 @12:35AM (#34124621)
> I’m curious about that recommendation, do you know why that is?

I was always told (since the 90s, anyway) that it's better to drive off slowly with a cold engine and let all the components come up to operating temperature together than to drive off with a hot engine, and cold gearbox, driveshafts, tyres, etc.

I generally let a cold engine (i.e. overnight) idle for maybe 30s before driving off slowly, and it reaches operating temperature in about 5m or less.

Re:The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter by rad_gruchalski on Sunday December 25, 2022 @06:16AM (#34126235)
Because your car engine does not get the right mixture until you start driving.

In a 2022 car I have now even the cabin doesn’t get proper heating from the aircon until it’s driven.