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Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by gumby on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:41AM (#34105653)
> I think this ignores the reason jargon exists. -- To demonstrate that the speaker is part of the "in" crowd.

That's unnecessarily cynical. It certainly can give off that impression. But it is also a shortcut for people who work together in a specific domain to be more precise (or more general) than would be implied by non-jargon speech. So to me those things in the sky are just clouds, but to a meteorologist they might be stratocumulus or cirrus.

Another case, a similar one, is the stickiness of obsolete language in a certain domains. I've never used the word "cloture" in a sentence,* but to use it is faster for those who need it than to spell it out. In law, some obsolete words not only carry specific meaning but can call back to existing case law.

For HN, CPU is a good example, being an old word whose precise meaning is quite fluid (used to be literally the cabinet with merely the ALU and some registers; instruction decode was just how it was wired together) and so is jargon too.

* until writing that sentence of course.

Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by tuatoru on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:45AM (#34105708)
Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by dtgriscom on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:52AM (#34105774)
He used it as an example.
Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by DonHopkins on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:08AM (#34105930)
CPU is short for Central Processing Unit, and is often used to contrast with GPU, which is short for Graphics Processing Unit, which is often used for ML, which is short for Machine Learning, even though ML isn't just Graphics, and TPU is short for Tensor Processing Unit, which is also used for Machine Learning.

Also, C-3PO is short for See-Threepio, and is used for interacting with organics, while R2D2 is short for Artoo-Detoo, which is used for interacting with digitals and arguing with C-3P0, while TWKE-4 is short for Twiki, which is used for saying BDBDBDBD, which is short for Bee Dee Bee Dee Bee Dee Bee Dee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeCb_abgig0

Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by gumby on Friday December 23, 2022 @11:24AM (#34107495)
Precisely: this gets annoying really quickly. Hence jargon.
Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by TomSwirly on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:19AM (#34106040)
You are describing technical vocabulary, not jargon.

Jargon has a slightly pejorative sense, just like in the article.

The article does not say, "Do not use the correct words for your discipline." It says, "Do not use meaningless words or overdramatize."

Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by DonHopkins on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:32AM (#34106187)
Jargon is an old file of hacker culture slang definitions from the MIT-AI Lab "HUMOR;" directory, including the word "hacker" itself, that that Eric S Raymond hijacked and redefined to spread his bat-shit crazy political ideology.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20382529

Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by wwalexander on Friday December 23, 2022 @03:24PM (#34110205)
The response to your comment seems to be negative, but I personally think it’s accurate and on-topic, including the note about ESR and his ideology.
Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by yencabulator on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:48PM (#34110979)
Jargon is a word derived from Old French, and has been used in its current meaning since at least 1849. ESR may have listed some examples of jargon, but he for damn sure didn't get to define it.
Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 23, 2022 @11:00AM (#34107195)
> Jargon has a slightly pejorative sense, just like in the article

Not necessarily. Jargon is not technical. But it is an emergent feature of language in semi-isolated groups. Things get nicknamed, inside jokes stick, and from the outside it looks performative while inside it’s quite natural. That it subsequently often takes on a performative element, in particular by new comers, is an in-group mechanism, but it’s not always useless as a signalling mechanism. There even seems to be an in-built sense of disgust with respect to overly performative jargon that keeps the system in check most of the time.

Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by marcosdumay on Friday December 23, 2022 @11:16AM (#34107415)
Jargon means exactly the same as "technical vocabulary", but without carrying the connotation that requires their area of interest to be "technical".
Re:Plain English: A simple guide on words to avoid in govern... by PragmaticPulp on Friday December 23, 2022 @01:49PM (#34109292)
I agree. The linked examples of jargon in the article feel more like precise wording chosen to reflect legal or contractual obligations. Not great for casual communication, but when you start talking about people's job duties and working hours then precision is important.

Always consider your audience. If you're writing casual communications for a mixed audience, ditch the jargon and use simple words.

If you're speaking to professional peers on business matters, use the precise language. Don't unnecessarily complicate sentences or use complex words when simple words are equally effective, though.