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Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by panick21_ on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:19PM (#34100289)
This nonsense again.

Literally everything humans build need mining. And nuclear needs less mining then literally every other form of energy.

Uranium mining is mostly not open pit and has very little impact on people or society. Also the quantities need are vanishingly small.

In fact, if we took nuclear seriously we wouldn't need to mine much anymore as we already have more then enough.

Chernobyl was looked at by an international panel of scientist and engineers and early death related to it are below 1500. And many of those people live to pretty old age still.

Also blaming all old people dying on the nuclear stuff is just nonsense.

Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by Schroedingersat on Friday December 23, 2022 @02:28AM (#34103168)
ISL poisons the ground for tens of kilometers around and isn't even usable on a lot of deposits. When hydrologists and geologists point this out they are met with 'it attenuates'. Mining and milling is also where the deaths in nuclear mostly happen and looking at the legal fights around basically any past or present uranium mine looks exactly like the fossil fuel or tobacco industries.

The quantity of Uranium is also much larger than you're making out. A 1kw system backed by diurnal storage with lithium batteries would use about the same amount of lithium as the nuclear reactor uses in uranium. The mines are also lower impact per unit output.

Solar uses smaller quantities of everything else involved from chromium to copper to zirconium to cadmium to indium to steel or sand. The only holdout is silver, and the gap for that is getting narrower by the month.

Wind uses more concrete and more steel but less of everything else.

> In fact, if we took nuclear seriously we wouldn't need to mine much anymore as we already have more then enough.

This is just a flat out lie. But I'm glad we agree. Let's just stop uranium mining overnight, and we can see your nuclear utopia emerge.

> Chernobyl was looked at by an international panel of scientist and engineers and early death related to it are below 1500. And many of those people live to pretty old age still.

Scientists who all objected to the report that took their research out of context.

Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by blablabla123 on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:47AM (#34104776)
> Literally everything humans build need mining.

Actually one of the newest trend in architecture are large scale buildings made from (fire-proof!) wood

> Chernobyl was looked at by an international panel of scientist and engineers and early death related to it are below 1500. And many of those people live to pretty old age still.

Yeah and 600,000 people worked as liquidators.

I think a lot of those arguments (in fact on both sides) are overly nitpicky and based on niche facts making reasonable discussions next to impossible.

Nuclear seems this simplistic choice where the risk is shifted to somewhere where nobody can see it. Nobody knows about missing Core catchers, failure modes or insurance.

That said, new Nuclear plants are actually more expensive (LCOE) than other Energy forms with the exception of on-demand Gas