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Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by jonnycomputer on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:37PM (#34096023)
I do think hydrogen is the answer, and I think it will be economical. Not just for energy, but for ammonia for fertilizer.
Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by SyzygistSix on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:16PM (#34100780)
Hydrogen is part of the answer, for steel and perhaps concrete manufacturing. And also to fuel container ships, in the form of ammonia. But as a storage medium it is not very efficient. At least not now.
Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by moloch-hai on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:30PM (#34101712)
Round-trip efficiency is not very important for a backup storage medium when the marginal cost to produce is zero.

Other considerations drive choices, then, e.g. capex, transportability, usefulness for other processes.

Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by _hypx on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:07PM (#34111128)
And once you realize that nearly all renewable energy production has a marginal cost of zero, then it quickly becomes the overwhelmingly best idea for energy storage.
Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by SyzygistSix on Sunday December 25, 2022 @10:51AM (#34128209)
The infrastructure needed for hydrogen production and storage is far, far, from zero.
Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by moloch-hai on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @02:48AM (#34146298)
Yet, the marginal cost of producing hydrogen using that infrastructure is zero: the only inputs are water and energy, and the marginal cost of that energy is zero.
Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by panick21_ on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:02PM (#34101107)
Will be fantastic when we have all those hydrogen production plants who only run with 30% utilization because they only make sense when you massively overproduce renewables.
Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by moloch-hai on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:27PM (#34101687)
To "massively overproduce" renewables is cheap. Build more, get more, sell the overproduction.
Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by panick21_ on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:50PM (#34131773)
> To "massively overproduce" renewables is cheap.

No it actually isn't really.

> Build more, get more, sell the overproduction.

You will have to pay to get ride of it in many places. Chemical plants want reliable electricity to have reliable production.

Re:Japan to invest on nuclear energy in major policy shift by moloch-hai on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @02:51AM (#34146308)
Hint: there is no cost to disposing of excess solar and wind energy.

When you produce chemicals yourself, you may operate on a schedule of your own choosing.