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Re:Amiga Forever by lproven on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:05AM (#34092522)
> the Lisa had an MMU, memory protection, and an OS with better multitasking. Yes it was expensive to make, but they could have scaled it down

Yes and no.

I mean, the Mac is a cut-down Lisa. But you're right, cut down too far.

(Aside: the Lisa was a 68000 as well, I am fairly sure. No MMU, but it did have multitasking.)

I think the problems were in scaling it down far enough to get the price down to vaguely reasonable.

That meant:

• 128kB RAM (same as the Sinclair QL, which launched 2 weeks earlier)

• No hard disk. Keeping a full multitasking OS when running from 400kB single-sided double-density floppies -- indeed, from one floppy -- would have been significantly hard.

Before an outraged Amiga fan jumps in: yes, I know Amiga did it, but that was 2 years later, with 4x as much RAM and floppies holding 2x as much data. Tech was moving fast in the 1980s.

A 512kB original Mac with 800kB floppies was technologically doable in 1984, I suspect, but instead of costing $2500 when it launched (~1/4 of a Lisa), it would have been $5000 or something, and I strongly suspect it would have flopped too, as a result.

Re:Amiga Forever by cmrdporcupine on Saturday December 24, 2022 @08:06AM (#34116458)
The Lisa had a custom MMU, if I recall. There were other 68000 based systems that were similar.

My key point is around the operating system. They had a system in LisaOS that had multitasking, memory protection, proper dynamic allocation, etc. It was a better OS than what was shipped on the Mac. It was unfortunate they threw it away. Likely due to personal & organizational politics more than technical and cost reasons (Jobs hated the Lisa). A few years later they were running Mac OS on old Lisa hardware.