Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane?
by mlyle on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:01PM
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> If he was poor, he’d be crazy.
Plenty of poor people say messed up things, alienate people around them, and screw up their employment. They generally don't end up with involuntary mental treatment. Even if the root cause is because of mania or something.
> I don’t see anything even hinting at a justification for 5150 WIC, even without considering the de-facto loosening of when it’s applied, which is I’m guessing what you’re referring to.
Well, the whole context we're talking about things in is in the context of involuntary treatment.
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane?
by lazide on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:20PM
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It’s not unlikely that 75 years ago someone doing what he has has been doing would get involuntarily committed.
Budget has a big part to play in this.
Re:Is forced treatment for the mentally ill ever humane?
by mlyle on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:54PM
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We're galloping to further and further away topics from the original discussion... if he were poor, and it was 75 years ago, it would be not unlikely.
I disagree with this assertion, too, BTW, but it's so far from what I set out to discuss that I'm not too interested in responding further.
I agree, though it’s not clear if you’re talking 5150 or conservatorship.
IMO, a pretty clear argument could be made (if someone had standing and wanted to do so) for conservatorship, at least of the estate, and possibly for him individually, in Kanye’s case.
I don’t see anything even hinting at a justification for 5150 WIC, even without considering the de-facto loosening of when it’s applied, which is I’m guessing what you’re referring to.
Hell, even if you’re lunging at someone with knife while talking about killing your self, it seems like most jurisdictions won’t do it. (Especially SF). If particularly public safety minded at the moment, they might take away your knife if they don’t shoot you first.
Budget reasons.
As to where it would go, god knows.