Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by adrianN on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:07AM
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Calculate the hidden cost. Tell the companies that you'll either vote for a tax or accept a lucrative post in their board of directors after your term is over. Profit!
Calculate the hidden cost. Spend half of the cost on a marketing campaign to sway public opinion against a tax. Profit!
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:20AM
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Maybe one way to mitigate is to have a separate branch of the political system dedicated to calculating the costs. Then make the methods for calculating as publicly available as possible so that they can be reproduced by non-profits.
We have managed judicial systems. We can manage this too.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by adrianN on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:29AM
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I don't see how that helps. For example there are many publications available that calculate the cost of CO2, eg [1] from the German government. Yet global warming is still a problem.
[1] https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/14...
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:47AM
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Dictatorships are still a problem too. But it's not because we don't know what the alternative looks like.
Figuring out what the alternative should look like is a big challenge but let's not pretend that that is the main issue here.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by sitkack on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:10AM
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You used to be able to trust the GAO and NIST to calculate these things.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:04AM
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I mean it's hard in the same way as converting from a dictatorship to a democracy is hard. There's a huge political transaction cost. And then you'll wonder what took you so long.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by concordDance on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @04:03AM
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Calculating the hidden cost isn't simple "hard", it's nigh impossible. We've spent billions trying to calculate the externalities of a single gas (CO2) and we're still incredibly uncertain with giant error bars even with a ton of assumptions.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @04:30AM
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We have some idea. That's monumentally better than having no idea. And not acting on flawed data is still worse than acting.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B
by DoreenMichele on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:09AM
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Money is just a proxy here for the harm it does. Some people would rather not get a check for having lost body parts, a la that scene from Erin Brockovich. They would rather not endure the harm to begin with.
Is it really that hard or are we making it hard?