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Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @02:53AM (#34077854)
Calculate the hidden cost. Slap a proportional tax on the products that cause the cost. Then split the tax income evenly to the population.

Is it really that hard or are we making it hard?

Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by adrianN on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:07AM (#34077940)
Calculate the hidden cost. Tell the companies that you'll either vote for a tax or accept a lucrative post in their board of directors after your term is over. Profit!

Calculate the hidden cost. Spend half of the cost on a marketing campaign to sway public opinion against a tax. Profit!

Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:20AM (#34078043)
Maybe one way to mitigate is to have a separate branch of the political system dedicated to calculating the costs. Then make the methods for calculating as publicly available as possible so that they can be reproduced by non-profits.

We have managed judicial systems. We can manage this too.

Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by adrianN on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:29AM (#34078100)
I don't see how that helps. For example there are many publications available that calculate the cost of CO2, eg [1] from the German government. Yet global warming is still a problem.

[1] https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/14...

Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:47AM (#34078181)
Dictatorships are still a problem too. But it's not because we don't know what the alternative looks like.

Figuring out what the alternative should look like is a big challenge but let's not pretend that that is the main issue here.

Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by sitkack on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:10AM (#34078764)
You used to be able to trust the GAO and NIST to calculate these things.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:04AM (#34077919)
I mean it's hard in the same way as converting from a dictatorship to a democracy is hard. There's a huge political transaction cost. And then you'll wonder what took you so long.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by concordDance on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @04:03AM (#34078280)
Calculating the hidden cost isn't simple "hard", it's nigh impossible. We've spent billions trying to calculate the externalities of a single gas (CO2) and we're still incredibly uncertain with giant error bars even with a ton of assumptions.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by worldsayshi on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @04:30AM (#34078475)
We have some idea. That's monumentally better than having no idea. And not acting on flawed data is still worse than acting.
Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by DoreenMichele on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:09AM (#34079141)
Money is just a proxy here for the harm it does. Some people would rather not get a check for having lost body parts, a la that scene from Erin Brockovich. They would rather not endure the harm to begin with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C029muI7bFw