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Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by lapcat on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @10:40AM (#34067390)
We're in the process of wrecking our own ecosystem.

We have the military capability to wipe ourselves out at any moment.

And when some natural threat arises — take the pandemic for example — we turn on each other and bicker. "Don't Look Up" seems quite plausible.

Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by d_silin on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @10:50AM (#34067542)
Above statements are proving my point. Despite its many flaws human civilization is stronger than ever and is on the verge of expanding beyond the home planet.
Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by lapcat on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#34067614)
> Above statements are proving my point.

I don't really see how.

> human civilization is stronger than ever

I don't really see how.

> on the verge of expanding beyond the home planet

I don't really see how.

Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by friend_and_foe on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @05:48PM (#34073927)
Really? You don't see how our civilization is stronger than it's ever been? You don't see how we are on the verge of expanding beyond our home planet? Just, don't see it huh? Perhaps you're not the person that should be explaining to everyone what is painfully obvious and what is not then.
Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by lapcat on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @06:01PM (#34074056)
> Perhaps you're not the person that should be explaining to everyone what is painfully obvious and what is not then.

You didn't even understand my comment. I meant it's painfully obvious to me. It should have been obvious that I didn't mean it was obvious to everyone, but obviously some people can't see the obvious.

I could write a long essay on why we're not on the verge of expanding beyond our home planet, but I feel that it would be a big waste of time. I'm not going to change your mind, you're not going to change my mind, and that's one reason why humanity is ultimately doomed.

Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by dromenkoning on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:36AM (#34078939)
> I could write a long essay on why we're not on the verge of expanding beyond our home planet

The reason that essay would be long is because you'd have to explain away so much successes from multiple independently operating space industries.

Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by lapcat on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @06:32AM (#34079298)
"progress"

We have a handful of humans living temporarily in Earth orbit. We have precisely zero humans living permanently off planet. That's not much progress toward a self-sustaining space colony millions of miles away in an extremely hostile environment.

We don't even know whether the human body can survive long term in the much lower gravity of Mars. Life on Earth didn't evolve for that. The whole idea could be doomed from the start.

Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by friend_and_foe on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @02:06PM (#34084924)
I'd call going from nobody ever having been to space to a handful people living in space seasonally for work progress. Define progress?
Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by friend_and_foe on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @12:15PM (#34083425)
If I could change your mind would we still be doomed?
Re:The Fermi Paradox Revisited: Technosignatures and the Con... by throw827474737 on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:12PM (#34070838)
Proving what? With a sample size of 1 that is all just survivor bias so far... and after all we know it is ending soon

We need a real godly or technological wonder (a real wonder, not something like fusion what is on the horizon), or maybe just humanity coming to reason and agreeing and uniting and doing the right thing (ok yes, now I am getting really ridiculous, the least likely to happen) to avoid that filter.

With a bit of luck humanity may endure though.. in the hundred thousands on medieval level with some more luck..