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Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by cromwellian on Monday December 19, 2022 @11:36AM (#34054086)
100% to the above and I would look specifically for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy which specializes in treating distorted thinking. It rescued me from my early thirties and I haven’t been depressed since. Our brains are wired to generate stories and narratives around everything, we can’t help it, and sometimes those narratives are distorted but cause damage and like a scab, we keep reinforcing and picking at them. Learning to recognize when you’re doing this and to stop is a skill like riding a bike, and a good therapist can help. Group therapy also helps because you can see other people going into these catastrophic narratives that look absurd to you and give you an idea of some of the same distortions you might be imagining.

Then other thing is, no matter how smart you are, you can’t debug yourself, you need other people. If you have a distorted negative feeling of yourself, then when you try to fix yourself, you’ll be more inclined to feel something isn’t working or you are doomed the first time you hit a roadblock or relapse.

And ultimately sometimes medication can help you get through the initial hurdle of such negativity, another reason you need to see a professional to evaluate this.

Go check out YouTube and Wikipedia for some cognitive behavioral therapy sources to see if it might fit.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by GFischer on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:02PM (#34054460)
Second the advice for Cognitive Behavorial Therapy, looks like the best fit in this case.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by woolcap on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:28PM (#34054775)
Another vote for CBT. CBT has made a big difference for me, helping me to find my way out of some very negative patterns of thinking, and allowing me to feel real joy, despite a number of ongoing difficult circumstances in my life. I'd recommend it to just about anyone, at any age.

I didn't go through CBT with a therapist. I just read the first few chapters of The Feeling Good Handbook, then tried to establish a habit of confronting my negative feelings, and the thoughts that were feeding them by identifying the distortions in those thoughts.

YMMV, but it may be worth a try.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by fsloth on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:16PM (#34054635)
CBT helped debug my thinking in very analogous circumstances to OP (30+, hit hard by events in life plus somewhat traumatic past), warm recommendation as well.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by AtlasBarfed on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:38PM (#34054935)
My #1 recommendation of something you can do today: exercise.

- builds a routine

- more effective than antidepressant drugs

- helps you sleep

- provides time for reflection

- forces you out into the world

- in the long run makes you better looking

- builds a work ethic

- builds self esteem

- helps you learn to concentrate

- gives you more energy to do things

- it develops motivation

- it reduces stress

If you have time for it, do it twice a day.

Especially you who seem to be in decent health (you're not american so I assume you're not morbidly obese or other issues).

Do 20 minutes of light exercise a day. Walk. If you have a bike, go bike. Too cold out? Find some stairs and just walk up and down them for 20 minutes.

Just do light exercise for a month, then think about goals.

Otherwise, 42 isn't too late to reproduce for a male. You appear debt free? Guess what, you're richer than most american.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by Trasmatta on Monday December 19, 2022 @01:09PM (#34055389)
Exercise, sleep, diet, and hydration are definitely important first steps. However, I felt a unique sense of pain when I was doing all of those things and still feeling empty, miserable, and angry.

I guess what I'm getting at is: don't beat yourself up if you go through the checklist and still feel bad. That's a sign that there are other external or internal factors that exercise won't address, and that therapy could help with.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by ponow on Monday December 19, 2022 @02:36PM (#34056559)
> you're not american so I assume you're not morbidly obese or other issues

Had to slip in the insult, didn't ya?

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by dang on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @04:50PM (#34073158)
"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."

a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by DogLover_ on Monday December 19, 2022 @04:31PM (#34058025)
While your intentions may be good, it's worth noting that these things can have negative effects on some people. For example, they can disrupt sleep patterns, lead to feelings of failure and low self-esteem, and drain energy levels.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by vrc on Monday December 19, 2022 @04:51PM (#34058268)
Terry Crews had a clip where he talks about the exercise habit, and how he (not sure if he did this or suggested this) would go to the gym for the time he allotted for exercise each day, even when he didn’t want to. And if he didn’t want to work out, he’d read a book in the locker room or walk at 1mph. A friend of mine did this, and eventually built an exercise habit out of it because, “why not, I’m already here?”. Obviously if funds or facilities aren’t there you could just change into exercise gear and go to a park to sit. Eventually you’ll move.

So OP, give yourself protected time and protect it.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by bogomipz on Monday December 19, 2022 @11:09PM (#34061435)
>"Especially you who seem to be in decent health (you're not american so I assume you're not morbidly obese or other issues)."

Obesity is a global epidemic.[1][2]. It's has been a global issue for a very long time now. This is not new. It's odd that such an advocate of exercise doesn't understand this.

>"You appear debt free? Guess what, you're richer than most american."

It also seems odd and gratuitous that you felt the need to make two negative comments about America in a post about the benefits of exercise. It's even odder still considering you are responding to someone who clearly stated they prefer to go back to America and that they were actually happy there.

[1] https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1113312

[2] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and...

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by cobbman on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:46PM (#34055034)
> Then other thing is, no matter how smart you are, you can’t debug yourself, you need other people.

This is very true, and not always realized.

Another way I heard it said which is easy to remember: "You can't read the label from inside the bottle."

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by dejj on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:48PM (#34058895)
“Dr. Rosen: You can't reason your way out of this!

John Forbes Nash: Why not? Why can't I?

Dr. Rosen: Because your mind is where your problem is in the first place!”

- 'A Beautiful Mind'.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by Trasmatta on Monday December 19, 2022 @01:03PM (#34055307)
An alternative to CBT that you might want to consider is Internal Family Systems. I find it to be a more holistic and compassionate form of therapy that respects your entire internal system.

Sometimes we have internal parts that need love and care more than they need lecturing on cognitive distortions.

CBT is effective for many people which is great, but there are other options.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by boucher on Monday December 19, 2022 @04:09PM (#34057754)
CBT didn't really work for me, but I have found IFS to be a bit more useful, as well as another framework called ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy).

Personally, I found it helpful to read some of the books on these and related concepts, as a supplement to therapy. Also, it can be a frustratingly slow journey.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their... by germinalphrase on Monday December 19, 2022 @07:05PM (#34059693)
Just seconding IFS. It has been a dramatically useful tool for someone very close to me.