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Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by pmontra on Monday December 19, 2022 @05:57AM (#34050727)
- 18 minute 10-80% charge time in ideal conditions (which is very good)

Having to wait almost 20 minutes on a 60 minutes commute is far from ideal.

That time is very good when one recharges at home or during a long trip or at destination (office / mall / etc) while doing other things. But in the last case it takes away a charging spot until the owner comes back. How is that managed now?

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by saturn_vk on Monday December 19, 2022 @06:27AM (#34050908)
> Having to wait almost 20 minutes on a 60 minutes commute is far from ideal.

You will either need to only charge once a few days, or if you are lucky, charge overnight at your home or during work. No car will need to be charged every 60 minutes.

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by clouddrover on Monday December 19, 2022 @06:08AM (#34050793)
> Having to wait almost 20 minutes on a 60 minutes commute is far from ideal.

Yes, you'll need have enough battery to get there or charge before you leave.

> That time is very good when one recharges at home

You won't get that charge time at home unless you decide to put in a 350 kW charger at your house, which will be expensive.

An 18 minute charge time on a fast charger can support about three cars per hour. There still need to be better batteries that can sustain higher C-rates to make fuller use of the existing 350 kW chargers and future 400 kW chargers and beyond.

For a future, high C-rate battery with 100 kWh usable capacity, 10 to 80% would be 70 kWh. If it could charge 10-80% at a flat 350 kW then that would take 12 minutes. At 400 kW it would take 10.5 minutes.

Battery swaps can currently be done in 6 minutes. Swapping in a 100 kWh battery charged to 90% in 6 minutes is equivalent to a flat 0-90% charge curve at 900 kW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWL1hZQmD0

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by kylecordes on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:09AM (#34051598)
For commuting, you charge at home with a much slower charger than this. You start each morning at a high charge %, and never stop at any charger at all.

The fast charger is for road trips - at the moment, the number and reliability of high-speed charge points is probably a bigger constraint than the relative speed of this model versus others.

Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by ulfw on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:53AM (#34052004)
a 60 minute commute (aka at most 70 miles or so, likely much less door-to-door) does not use 70% of the battery. Not even half that.
Re:An electric Kia that’s faster than a Lamborghini? The 202... by pmontra on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:22AM (#34052328)
It will, day after day.

In a city where people park on the streets because there are no or not enough personal parking slots (very common in Europe, don't know in the USA,) it's either a (metered?) charger for every public parking slot or a boring 20 minutes stop every few days.