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Re:S.F. police announce dozens of arrests in crackdown on re... by bufferoverflow on Sunday December 18, 2022 @11:14AM (#34039079)
You can't have reliable stats when your government completely ignores some crimes, redefines them as noncrimes, doesn't send the police, doesn't arrest, drops charges immediately, or gives you a slap on the wrist instead of a proper sentence.

There are however ways that don't depend on the government. For instance, videos of looting. I've seen a riridulous number of looting videos from LA and SF (and other crimes too). No other state produces so much video of criminal activity from random observers.

Re:S.F. police announce dozens of arrests in crackdown on re... by tshaddox on Sunday December 18, 2022 @11:24AM (#34039205)
Where are you getting your more reliable stats? Consider that “the official stats aren’t reliable” does not imply “therefore any stats that support my favorite narrative are more reliable.”
Re:S.F. police announce dozens of arrests in crackdown on re... by carom on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:08PM (#34039691)
Stores are literally closing because the crime is so bad.
Re:S.F. police announce dozens of arrests in crackdown on re... by BryantD on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:06PM (#34041501)
That doesn't sound like data to me.

What are the actual rates of confirmed stores closing? What were they in previous decades? What are other factors -- a pandemic hurting downtown traffic, for example -- that might affect those closures? Can we compare the rates of restaurants closing to the rates of retail stores closing across the years to see if retail stores are closing at a higher rate than restaurants?

And to be clear, I don't see either side of the debate doing that research. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm just saying we should follow the data.

Re:S.F. police announce dozens of arrests in crackdown on re... by BryantD on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:58PM (#34041351)
Huh. Have you considered these two possibilities:

1) You're not seeing a full feed of all video that gets shot; you're seeing what various media outlets choose to share.

2) Humans being humans, we're more primed to grab video when we're seeing other videos, so you'd expect the distribution not to reflect the ground truth.

I am aware that I won't convince you, but I also need to point out that at least one of the articles I linked to shows stats from adjacent jurisdictions with different laws and charging protocols which don't support the "more crime in SF" thesis.

So it goes.