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Re:The strange case of Britain’s demise by astrange on Saturday December 17, 2022 @06:53PM (#34033537)
Their wages are low because they're British and live in a failing country.

Immigration raises wages; more people = better economy. That's why every other Anglo country is doing better than them. And has food that isn't brown slop.

Re:The strange case of Britain’s demise by mytailorisrich on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:04AM (#34035842)
No immigration has kept unskilled workers' wages low.

That's why businesses have been keen and workers have had enough.

Re:The strange case of Britain’s demise by astrange on Sunday December 18, 2022 @06:48AM (#34036831)
Immigration doesn’t lower wages. Telling people this usually doesn’t convince them because they just want an excuse to complain about immigrants, but nevertheless it’s true.

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/why-immigration-doesnt-red...

In particular Australia’s population is 1/3rd immigrants. Australia’s minimum and median wages are both significantly higher than the UK. Does that mean there are so many immigrants they’re taking each others jobs instead?

Re:The strange case of Britain’s demise by mytailorisrich on Sunday December 18, 2022 @07:08AM (#34036951)
There's a very big assumption in your claim, which is that immigration is balanced among 'social classes', skills, jobs,etc. In that case, indeed overall demand grows along with overall supply. Australia has an immigration system aimed at achieving that.

Things do not work out so great if immigration isn't balanced.

In the UK there has been a huge influx of unskilled or low skilled workers from Eastern Europe that has put a big dampener on wages at the low end of the spectrum.

One of the reasons the UK has a productivity issue is that cheap labour.

Re:The strange case of Britain’s demise by astrange on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:15PM (#34039790)
The papers I linked are empirical evidence, not assumptions. There’s two specifically on the UK that find no evidence of this.

They also find that skilled immigration systems don’t always work, because all immigrants tend to be unusually highly educated anyway, but also significantly downskill the jobs they choose after arriving. So you’d expect them to always compete with low end natives, but in fact they don’t because they mainly compete with other immigrants instead. And “compete” isn’t how labor works anyway, since all workers are also customers.

Re:The strange case of Britain’s demise by mytailorisrich on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:42PM (#34040105)
"Negative effect at low-end of spectrum", which is what I wrote...

> because all immigrants tend to be unusually highly educated anyway

That's obviously not true.