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Re:I Asked ChatGPT to Explain Some Jokes to Me by picozeta on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:32AM (#34027598)
Interesting idea, however from ChatGPT's explanation (thanks for the author to ask more in detail, but I think ChatGPT dodges the question again). Btw. I didn't know the joke and found it quite funny, and ChatGPT does not get it.

> ChatGPT: [...] Instead, the punchline reveals that the man has actually quit drinking, which is unexpected and surprising, and effectively subverts the expectations that have been established in the setup of the joke.

But it only works because he is still drinking, I think ChatGPT does not understand anything here. If instead the joke would end with

> The man replies, "Oh, my brothers are fine. I just go hiking now myself."

I am pretty sure, ChatGPT will react similar.

Re:I Asked ChatGPT to Explain Some Jokes to Me by matthewmacleod on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:48AM (#34027691)
I think ChatGPT does not understand anything here

This is a good way to think about it generally (or at least how I do it) - ChatGPT doesn’t understand anything, ever.

It produces coherent text which is usually a reasonable response to a prompt. It’s quite amazing at this, and it’s fascinating to see how effective that can be. But it doesn’t have an abstract model of whatever it’s discussing, and can’t reason about it. It’s a vaguely spooky uncanny valley effect.

Re:I Asked ChatGPT to Explain Some Jokes to Me by JoeAltmaier on Saturday December 17, 2022 @09:43AM (#34028126)
Isn't that splitting hairs? It digests some kind of 'understanding' of human language and expectations. It responds appropriately in most cases, at least as often as an actual human if not more so.

To claim it doesn't understand anything, is akin to digital bigotry. It's a machine, so what it does cannot be 'real' in some undefined sense.

I don't mean to upset anyone; this comment is just to open the conversation about when exactly we're content to permit artifical constructs to be worthy of respect.

Re:I Asked ChatGPT to Explain Some Jokes to Me by matthewmacleod on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:18AM (#34029087)
I don’t think it’s splitting hairs, but I also don’t think it’s a criticism to say that a model like this lacks “understanding”. It’s not a bad thing; if anything, I’d say it’s less “respectful” to imbue a digital construct with characteristics it doesn’t have, rather than embracing those which it does!

What I mean by lacking understanding is that ChatGPT responds to most queries the same way I'd expect if I asked a human being without understanding of a topic to write about it. The content it produces feels much like the sort of writing I'd do myself when I end up having to write a few paragraphs about something I don't really know or care about – a kind of veneer of reasonableness, like a short high-school five-paragraph essay.

What I find fascinating when it produces very confident, very incorrect output – that's what highlights a lack of what I'd call "understanding". As an example – last week someone shared with me a regular expression it had generated to match a specific string. It did this correctly, and included a detailed explanation about what it had done that was written in complete, comprehensible sentences but was wildly incorrect, in a sort of self-contradicting way that even the worst human writer would struggle with. It seemed very obvious that it was stringing together words that kind of made sense together, but that there was no abstract model of the thing it was describing.

Re:I Asked ChatGPT to Explain Some Jokes to Me by JoeAltmaier on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:31PM (#34029985)
I've noticed the same. It speaks loudly and confidently, with no logic or evidence whatsoever. Just like a blowhard who 'heard something somewhere' and repeats it as fact.
Re:I Asked ChatGPT to Explain Some Jokes to Me by galangalalgol on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:48AM (#34027693)
Yeah, and the next few are worse, but the infinite mathematicians one was impressive even if it did take some coaxing. The fact that it spotted the pattern and the resulting limit is fascinating.

I think it is interesting that an AI that is so clearly not general, is capable of so much with regard to language. It turns out an AI to replace a very bad lawyer or very good law clerk or a very junior developer is easier than one to replace a truck or taxi driver. I would not have predicted that.