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Re:Mist Showers: Sustainable Decadence? (2019) by encoderer on Saturday December 17, 2022 @06:24AM (#34026880)
I just cannot sign up for this vision of the future where people are eating plant protein meat and never cooking on an open flame and avoiding now… hot showers?

No thanks. Hard pass. This is all terrible.

Re:Mist Showers: Sustainable Decadence? (2019) by roninghost on Saturday December 17, 2022 @07:41AM (#34027263)
The autor has a nice article about not enough fires:

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2019/12/too-much-combustio...

Re:Mist Showers: Sustainable Decadence? (2019) by wincy on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:09AM (#34027451)
I’ve just given up on the guilt. I live near one of the largest rivers in the world. I’m surrounded by the most fertile farmland in the world. These may be problems for people that live in places that in retrospect aren’t great for human habitation, but not here.

I think I’m going to buy myself a shower head with a removable water regulator for Christmas. I spent two weeks in hotels and my home shower feels terrible in comparison to that water pressure. Why do the hotels get to have objectively better showers than I do?

Re:Mist Showers: Sustainable Decadence? (2019) by encoderer on Saturday December 17, 2022 @07:52PM (#34033929)
My favorite is the line “there is not enough grazing land in the world for people to eat as much meat as Americans and Europeans do”

Well, there does seem to be enough land for the American and European cows. Other places will eat other things. Like they always have.

Re:Mist Showers: Sustainable Decadence? (2019) by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:23AM (#34035932)
There aren't enough people in Australia for us all to eat the meat we produce.

In 2019, Australia exported 76% of its total beef and veal production

https://www.mla.com.au/about-mla/the-red-meat-industry/

Re:Mist Showers: Sustainable Decadence? (2019) by marssaxman on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:08PM (#34039700)
> No thanks. Hard pass. This is all terrible.

Of course it sounds terrible, but is it more or less terrible than the collapse of civilization, which is what seems likely to happen as a result of climate instability and radical ecological changes, should we continue on our present course?

"Hard pass" is a choice for the latter.

Re:Mist Showers: Sustainable Decadence? (2019) by encoderer on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @12:13AM (#34076929)
To me, no meat and cold showers is the collapse of civilization. Or at the very least, the start of it.