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Re:3.3 million e-mails between the most powerful men are abo... by eternalban on Wednesday December 28, 2011 @11:12PM (#3402476)
> At the same time, there are times where you say "eh, fuck it."

Cognitive dissonance overload!

"Anonymous"/"99%"/TPTB_NOT is correct (imo) in criticizing the TPTB's theory of 'suspended norms/ethos due to emergency' e.g. get ready to be groped by a uniformed servant from the margines. Good times.

Now we have supporters of anon/99/we-the-people's position asserting that the philosophy of "what is Right is what is convenient'/'end justifies the means' is in fact acceptable.

USA is saying "eh, fuck it" when it kidnaps, tortures, rapes (abu ..), terrorizes (same place), and holds in contempt (fuck it) the said "it": Our aspirations, our principles, our heritage, and our "fucking" way of life.

Simply based on that ideological finger print, I would certainly entertain the view that holds these groups and their shenanigans to be entirely the work of TPTB.

Re:3.3 million e-mails between the most powerful men are abo... by shadowfiend on Wednesday December 28, 2011 @11:54PM (#3402568)
In a democracy, people don't get re-elected when they're shown to be crooks in such a huge way that it's impossible to ignore. We already know, to some extent, how crook-y some of these people are. In particular, we know how easily they assault our civil liberties, or perhaps better stated our right to privacy. If assaulting theirs is how we convince the masses that they should not be there, then it is perhaps reasonable to do so. Ours are already under fire, the question is whether destroying theirs will produce a big enough result to make it worth it. I don't think the answer is clear-cut in general, and time will tell in this case, but I don't know that it's as cognitively dissonant as it seems.

In the case of the government, they can't say “well we're watching everyone's conversations because so are the terrorists”. That makes their justification very different from the one in use here, and thus changes the equation a lot.

Re:3.3 million e-mails between the most powerful men are abo... by eternalban on Thursday December 29, 2011 @12:24AM (#3402641)
There are dragon slayers and there are also those who tilt at windmills. I'll be a believer the day that Anonymous/Lulzie-ones core dump the archives of The City of London.

Slaying that dragon is a game changer; effectively random acts of cyber anarchy and antisocial behavior (people's CCs, for ex.) just raise dust and TPTB love occultation and delight in the demonstration of the emptiness of our "convictions" and "principles".

Have you ever considered that this is an intellectual/spiritual battle between a subset asserting superiority in every dimension of human endeavor that (literally) justifies their rule? If yes, then mind your "principles" and "convictions". That is the Human Front. Hold the line, please.

Re:3.3 million e-mails between the most powerful men are abo... by mberning on Thursday December 29, 2011 @12:21AM (#3402636)
You must have a fundamental misunderstanding of what cognitive dissonance is.