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Re:Peter Norvig critically reviews AlphaCode's code quality by NateEag on Friday December 16, 2022 @09:25PM (#34023684)
> If you have two systems that are implemented in different ways but the output is indistinguishable I feel that you're forced to claim that the systems operate in fundamentally similar ways.

So a nuclear power plant and a solar panel farm each generating 4500 MW are operating in fundamentally similar ways?

I mean... in some sense, yeah. They both rely on electromagnetic effects to generate electricity.

They still seem to be operating in really different ways to me, though.

Re:Peter Norvig critically reviews AlphaCode's code quality by defrost on Friday December 16, 2022 @09:33PM (#34023741)
Sure .. I mean one is providing 4500 MW from a fission reaction whereas the other is providing 4500 MW from a fusion reaction . . . but fundamentally both are providing nuclear sourced power.
Re:Peter Norvig critically reviews AlphaCode's code quality by NateEag on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:58PM (#34024469)
My point was about the self-contained systems, not the rest of the universe around them.
Re:Peter Norvig critically reviews AlphaCode's code quality by defrost on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:11PM (#34024548)
True enough, mine was that in the context of a discussion about reasoning about reasoning (if it is fact reason), you might need better metaphors.

I don't hold with a lot of the evolutionary claims put forward in Jaynes Origin of Consciousness.. but he does put forward a solid intitial discussion of "WTF is intelligence anyway" that's worth the read (if you've not read it and have the interest).