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Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by paxys on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:11PM (#34004993)
I can't imagine the amount of corporate brainwashing needed to get to this level of thinking. Are you really saying that people cannot have any identity in life, any dreams, hobbies or pursuits if they can't sit in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week fixing Jira tickets?

Just because a car can go 100mph doesn't mean long distance running doesn't exist. Just because a novel you write isn't the best in the world doesn't mean the hobby is pointless. Go buy a farm and grow your own food. Keep some pets. Hang out with your friends. Play with your kids. Do literally anything you want. Not having to be a wage slave to survive the winter is a good thing for humanity.

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by acuozzo on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:37PM (#34005372)
> Not having to be a wage slave to survive is a good thing for humanity.

I mean, sure, that's one of the two paths discussed in "Manna" by Marshall Brain. Within the book it's called "The Australia Project"; a kind of utopia.

Myself and the OP are more worried about the other path: a dystopia in which the majority of people are forced into something much worse than wage slavery by those in control of the thinking machines. A dystopia not unlike the one that led to the "Great Revolt" in the Dune series.

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by notpachet on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:54PM (#34006350)
> A dystopia not unlike the one that led to the "Great Revolt" in the Dune series.

I'm glad you brought this up; I've found the term 'Butlerian Jihad' coming increasingly to mind when I read AI threads on HN. It's interesting to think about a future where we potentially put prohibitions on the use of AI for moral reasons.

https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Butlerian_Jihad

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by lostmsu on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:51PM (#34008561)
Just go one step ahead, and realize, that perhaps the most fictitious side of that book is that AI actually lost due to basically magical powers.
Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by aquaduck on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:31PM (#34006739)
> Myself and the OP are more worried about the other path: a dystopia in which the majority of people are forced into something much worse than wage slavery by those in control of the thinking machines.

My fear is that nobody will remain in control of the thinking machines. Imagine an AI agent for hire which maintains its own cryptocurrency accounts and pays its own cloud hosting bills. That's the future I'm worried about.

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by TaylorAlexander on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:52PM (#34008580)
> the majority of people are forced into something much worse than wage slavery by those in control of the thinking machines.

This is why it is important that we ensure everyone has collective control of the means of production (through voluntary means - a federation of collectives that agree to trade with one another as much as possible).

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by acuozzo on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:21AM (#34015526)
> This is why it is important that we ensure everyone has collective control of the means of production

Why would the owners of the thinking machines allow this to happen?

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by amag on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:18PM (#34005099)
Thank you for the ad hominem attack. It's always a pleasure to discuss things with people who like to jump to conclusions and assume things about people they don't know anything about.

Personally I prefer not to pass judgement on a person based on the very little knowledge that can be gleamed from a post like this. But maybe, just maybe if you actually read what I have written (in other comments as well) things might clear up for you.

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by jona-f on Thursday December 15, 2022 @11:04PM (#34009991)
They questioned your character cause of your flawed arguments, not your arguments cause of your flawed character. So it's not ad hominem.
Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by skeaker on Friday December 16, 2022 @03:50PM (#34020166)
Not an ad hominem and you haven't refuted him at all. That you perceived what he said as a personal attack speaks more to how you truly perceive your own values than to anything else.
Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by throw827474737 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:01PM (#34006433)
> I can't imagine the amount of corporate brainwashing needed to get to this level of thinking.... Not having to be a wage slave to survive is a good thing for humanity.

Corporate brainwashing, why? That is just realistic. I mean we know earlier people with much harder lifes actually had more free leisure time.. and even Ford imagined with all the automation we may be able to work much less and have better lifes.. still here we are: A few people making tons of money, some soing very good to okayish, but the vast majority doing 2-3 low paying crap jobs to survive.. and we all even workong more than decades ago. How?

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by secondcoming on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:08PM (#34006513)
People have bills to pay, or will AI do that too?
Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by slt2021 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:13PM (#34006550)
profits (benefits of overall automation) will be reaped by capitalists (employers, capital owners), not the general public.

plus, before we automate anything civilian, we will have to automate everything military, cause they get the first dabs at any emerging tech.

more likely we will see global war between stealthy autonomous robots much earlier, before we automate much on the civilian side

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by SoftTalker on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:04PM (#34007073)
Working as a necessity to provide for oneself and family is a key component of good mental health. It's wired into us. We are still the hunter-gatherers we were 10,000 years ago. Excessive idleness always ends badly.
Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by Loocid on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:01PM (#34007633)
You don't need a job to avoid being idle.
Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by SoftTalker on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:59PM (#34024879)
Most people do.
Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by paxys on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:36PM (#34007893)
> Working as a necessity to provide for oneself and family is a key component of good mental health

Based on what science? Grinding at an office 9-5, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year over meaningless pursuits is in fact what is causing mental health problems in the world today.

Re:DeepMind’s AlphaCode Conquers Coding, Performing as Well ... by exceptione on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:42PM (#34007940)
What do you define as working? The nobility had good ways of spending their time, they were at the top of social pyramid. They would not say they had a job, they only had to care about their inheritance.

Mental health is more related to belonging and sense of community. Currently, not having a job is a source of guilt and shame. That has not always been the case. Nurses and educators find their reward mostly in being able to help others.