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Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by boredemployee on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:11AM (#33998971)
>> making art is vastly more difficult than the huge majority of computer programming that is done.

I completely agree with it. Take a contemporary pianist for example, the amount of dedication to both theory and practice, posture, mastering the instrument and what not, networking skills, technology skills, video recording, music recording, social media management, etc.

Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by drinfinity on Thursday December 15, 2022 @10:04AM (#34000578)
You think music theory is more demanding than CS? I've dedicated decades and probably 75% of my youth to mastering this instrument called a computing device. It has numerous layers, each completely different and each significant enough to build a standalone career out of (OS, networking, etc). I feel insulted if you think playing and mastering a piano is the same thing.

Extreme specialists are found everywhere. Mastering skateboarding at world level will eat your life too, but it's not "harder" than programming. At least, for any commonsensical interpretation of "harder".

All the rest, we do too. Except I don't record videos and I'm sure it is not childishly easy, but it will not eat my life.

Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by monsterbasher on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:15PM (#34002630)
I'm literally speechless. What an arrogant and egotistical comment. This is why us tech workers have a such a bad rep as culturally ignorant/bubbled community. Do a bit of research into jazz theory and counterpoint theory before you make this kind of blatant over generalization.
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by dangond on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:38PM (#34002931)
This exact comment could be made by a jazz soloist with a few words changed and be just as valid. I think you're underestimating how deep other fields, including artistic fields, are. Anything as competitive as an artistic field will always result in amounts of mastery needed at the top level that are barely noticeable to outside observers.
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by lmm on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:40PM (#34007928)
> This exact comment could be made by a jazz soloist with a few words changed and be just as valid.

It's not that uncommon for professional programmers to be pro-level musical soloists on the side, or for retired programmers to play top-level music. The reverse is far less common. I do think that says something.

> Anything as competitive as an artistic field will always result in amounts of mastery needed at the top level that are barely noticeable to outside observers.

Sure. Top-level artistic fields are well into the diminishing returns level, whereas programming is still at the level where even a lot of professional programmers are not just bad, but obviously bad in a way that even non-programmers can understand.

Even in the easiest fields, you can always find something to compete on (e.g. the existence of serious competitive rubik's cube doesn't mean solving a rubik's cube is hard). A difficult field is one where the difference between the top and the middle is obvious to an outsider.

Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by boredemployee on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:42PM (#34003002)
>> You think music theory is more demanding than CS?

Of course it is.

Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by quonn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:46PM (#34005496)
Can‘t you see that your statement is just as silly or even more?

Have you actually looked into CS deeply? Obviously not. (I‘m not saying this cannot also be true for music, which I don‘t know.)

Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by boredemployee on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:53PM (#34005598)
try to study both and then come back :)
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by quonn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:10PM (#34005815)
I couldn‘t, but I could also not study many other things and not because of what you call difficulty. Quite simply different people are good at some things and less good at others.

Maybe you are better at CS than music and therefore perceive it as easy and the other one as hard.

Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by boredemployee on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:18PM (#34005905)
ok man
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by annyeonghada on Friday December 16, 2022 @01:38AM (#34011313)
I am a classical clarinet player, a Physicist and a programmer. Music theory is ridicously easy in confront to everything STEM I've studied. It isn't even a paragon: the counterintuitiveness of Physics, the abstractions, the rigor of thinking needed was really stressfull to my mind while music theory was... underwhelming to say the least.
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by odo1242 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:35PM (#34004492)
have done (doing?) both, music theory is several times harder at least
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by quonn on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:48PM (#34005522)
Again, it depends on the level. Maybe you took trivial CS courses. Many parts of CS are indistinguishable from mathematics, is that so easy as well? What about the various open problems that have remained unsolved for decades now in theoretical CS? You think these are simpler than music? Really?
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by annyeonghada on Friday December 16, 2022 @01:40AM (#34011342)
Come on, at which level did you study them? I studied both at University level and was a classical clarinet player and anything STEM was much more difficult than anything music theory.
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by CadmiumYellow on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:40PM (#34005416)
This comment is so arrogant I have to laugh. This kind of attitude is exactly why people outside of our industry don't think highly of Silicon Valley.
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by boredemployee on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:48PM (#34005521)
I think today he/she learned an important lesson for his/her career: there are things more difficult than the epitome, the apogee, the quintessence of professions, called computer science.
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by meroes on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:02PM (#34005728)
This is why I come to HN! Thank you!
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by CatWChainsaw on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:12PM (#34005845)
Speaking as one of the outsiders that the other commenters warned you made SV/programmers look bad... yeah, you do look bad.
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by dbfx on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:44PM (#34006217)
Thanks for the copypasta
Re:Who knew the first AI battles would be fought by artists? by CuriouslyC on Thursday December 15, 2022 @10:33AM (#34001092)
It isn't harder to be an artist or pianist, it's just that the cutoff of employability for these professions is much higher. It's like saying playing baseball is harder than programming because only a few thousand people are good enough to play baseball for a living.