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Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by donatj on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:43PM (#33995306)
From my limited understanding of the whole LibsOfTikTok / Children's hospital thing, what they had posted was false and thus libel and thus illegal speech which is not allowed on the platform?

That seems unrelated.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by ravel-bar-foo on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:19AM (#33995551)
I don't connect to Twitter, but I thought that LibsOfTikTok posted evidence in the form of screenshots and recordings of what hospital representatives had said over the phone. Someone even found a paper where authors affiliated with Boston Children's Hospital reported 65 gender affirming surgeries performed when the patient was a minor at the time of surgery: https://doi.org/10.3390/jcm11071943 (Table 1).

From the paper: "The Center for Gender Surgery (CfGS) at Boston Children’s Hospital (BCH) was the first pediatric center in the United States to offer gender-affirming chest surgeries for individuals over 15 years old and genital surgeries for those over 17 years of age. "

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by chris11 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:59PM (#33995407)
Information being false or libelous is another reason to ban someone. That makes it more hypocritical that LibsOfTikTok was unbanned but ElonJet was banned.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by ShredKazoo on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:48PM (#33995342)
May be useful to consider the hypothetical where the statement is true though. What's the right policy in that case? Seems like the sort of hypothetical our speech policies should be robust to.
Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by trenchgun on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:58PM (#33995397)
Ok, but why Musk still allows them on the platform?
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Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by dragonwriter on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:02AM (#33996951)
> What was false about what they posted?

The specific claims of surgeries being performed at the specific hospital, most relevantly, which was the specific thing that motivated the bomb threats.

> It's well-documented that children are being subjected to 'gender-affirming' drugs and surgeries.

Its well-documented that a small numbet of children with identified needs are prescribed puberty blockers, and that this is extremely significant in reducing suicide rates; its well documented that even smaller number of teens get hormone treatments to promote puberty of the gender of identity, and that a positively miniscule number of teens get (mostly) top or mor rarely) bottom surgery, as well.

> We'll likely look back on this as a huge medical scandal, just as we do for the frontal lobotomy craze.

It’s more likely that we’ll look at the drive promoted largely on the basis of religious conservatism to impose ascribed gender over gender identity and deny such care, with clear evidence that doing so is killing people, as a medical scandal, similar to all the other times care was denied or known harmful interventions were applied systematically to a targeted marginalized community.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by denoteds on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:32AM (#33997177)
> The specific claims of surgeries being performed at the specific hospital, most relevantly, which was the specific thing that motivated the bomb threats.

Please see their rebuttal to what the transactivists are claiming: https://www.libsoftiktok.com/p/boston-childrens-hospital-sup...

> It’s more likely that we’ll look at the drive promoted largely on the basis of religious conservatism to impose ascribed gender over gender identity and deny such care, with clear evidence that doing so is killing people, as a medical scandal, similar to all the other times care was denied or known harmful interventions were applied systematically to a targeted marginalized community.

Unlikely, especially with the rise in outspoken detransitioners who have been caught up in this gender madness, and whistleblowing medical staff. They have first-hand experience of how harmful these medical interventions are - and people are listening.

Some European health systems have already massively walked back their 'gender-affirming' care for children.

Re:Twitter restored ElonJet account by dragonwriter on Thursday December 15, 2022 @10:47AM (#34001322)
> especially with the rise in outspoken detransitioners

Detransitioners are rare among those who have transitioned, and of detransitioners, most of tjkse that are public about their views most support trans rights and access to gender affirming care. The propaganda narrative that you are being sold with outspoken detransitioners is, like everything else about trans issues from the same media channels that isn’t an outright lie, a distortiom.

> They have first-hand experience of how harmful these medical interventions are

The data shows that they are overwhelming helpful. You are, when the individuals in question aren’t lying about the specific cases, still just being sold isolated anecdotes with no perspective on relation to the normal experience, designed as emotional manipulation by professional propagandists, to get you to support a campaign of death (both through neglect and more actively) for trans people.

> Some European health systems have already massively walked back their 'gender-affirming' care for children.

Yes, and so have some American ones, as the consequence if an international political movement actively seeking the elimination of trans people, by death if necessary—and this walk-back absolutely, provably contributes to deaths.