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Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by _carbyau_ on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:25PM (#33994760)
It's this adversarial environment that I fear is the complication.

As you say, if you know the cars will stop and let you go, this power will corrupt.

Extend this thinking to bicyclists, skateboarders, delivery riders, motorcyclists, car enthusiasts driving themselves - all able to simply cut off a self driving car knowing it will give way.

But there is more adversarial out there.

AI input hacking to get known responses. Cars disabled because of gang tagging on sensors.

Car enthusiasts or privacy enthusiasts (privacy shouldn't require enthusiasm but here we are...) updating car firmware/software. People with full physical access!

And we haven't touched on the ethical stuff which is a world of discussion in itself.

Self driving cars by evolution in current societal rules etc will take a LONG time.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by tpm on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:23AM (#33996331)
> if you know the cars will stop and let you go, this power will corrupt.

> Extend this thinking to ... - all able to simply cut off a self driving car knowing it will give way.

But this is already the case; if I jump into slow moving traffic in a (western) city centre the cars will let me through, possibly even without honking. The only things to fear are distracted drivers (which is the same with the AI, because I can't know whether the AI sees me) and the occasional madman, but those are rare.

What's more interesting as you point out are situations where other drivers will take advantage of the AI's adherence to rules and safety. That's going to be especially fun in cities like Napoli, where things like driving through red signal are completely normal. It's probably not going to work there at all in its current state.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by Thorrez on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:47AM (#33996468)
>As you say, if you know the cars will stop and let you go, this power will corrupt.

Would stepping out in front of a car be illegal?

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by fragmede on Thursday December 15, 2022 @03:18AM (#33996642)
Which, in the abstract, is an interesting theoretical question, but California recently decided to basically legalize jaywalking.

https://laist.com/news/transportation/understanding-new-cali...

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by _carbyau_ on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:13PM (#34006552)
That's the thing isn't it.

If "person walks in front of car" event is rare, then the automatic car stop saving a life or minimising injury is nice. Saved a person from a bad day for a minor inconvenience for the car people.

If a NY city worth of people do it without regard, then cars will be gridlocked.

My guess is:

- Assuming self driving cars that that stop for pedestrians are common

- then laws against deliberately walking in front will exist

- to judge the dispute of "deliberate" there will be more cameras, because why wouldn't there be...

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by xapata on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:54AM (#33996503)
It's long past time that we turn the streets back over to pedestrians. Communities are much more enjoyable when car-free.