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Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by taeric on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @04:52PM (#33991124)
I also never understood why we had to use "vision" approaches that have the same visual spectrum as what humans see. Any sort of sensor on a device is already synthetic, why limit the spectrum that you attach it to? Should use light sensors, sound sensors, gps, everything.
Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by rootusrootus on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:42PM (#33991776)
And even then, the best cameras today are still a long ways off from matching human eyesight. Tesla's cameras are not state of the art, either.
Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by taeric on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:07PM (#33993530)
I wouldn't be shocked if the best cameras are better. :)

Point stands that the ones being put in the cars aren't.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by pclmulqdq on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:39PM (#33993869)
The best cameras have much lower dynamic range than eyes (particularly in low light), and much longer times to refocus. Not to mention higher feedback latency when focusing on a particular object: eyes and brain are very tightly connected.

The eye is an incredible piece of machinery, specifically for dynamic processing like this.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by taeric on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:28PM (#33994786)
I meant that mostly tongue in cheek. That the best camera ever produced may be better than our eyes. I wouldn't be shocked if such a thing exists. Probably target large and would be way more than a single sensor camera, though.

And agreed that eyes are impressive.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by nradov on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:08AM (#33995473)
Right so to approximate the capability of human eyes you would need multiple coaxial cameras with varying apertures. Then stitch the images together in software.
Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by wongarsu on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:32PM (#33991637)
So far nobody really cared how road markings, signs etc look outside of the human visual spectrum, so there's likely a lot more variation there. Both in terms of how things look like when new, and in terms of acceptable wear.
Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by taeric on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:40PM (#33991747)
Right. But that is in designing the existing roads. I'm talking about the cars. And I'm specifically asking why not adding more options? I don't mind a camera being part of the solution at all. Gives an obvious path to human labeling of training data. But, why not have more?
Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by pclmulqdq on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:37PM (#33993854)
We have a good idea how all this stuff looks in the infrared spectrum, and that could help a lot in the sensor fusion.