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Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by starkd on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:29AM (#33984804)
There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by verst on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:38AM (#33984962)
This has been discussed many times - the flight data and aircraft registration details are publicly accessible via the FAA. Posting that data in an easily accessible form hardly violates anyone's privacy.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by jsight on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:40AM (#33984996)
To be fair, there is a difference when its made extremely accessible. Even the courts have seen this as a key difference with surveillance.

My question here is whether there is actually a rule here and whether that rule will be followed, or was it just done capriciously because Musk didn't like it.

I have my guesses, of course, but I haven't checked if they are true.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by verst on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:46AM (#33985101)
Perhaps a public interest argument could be made here for making this information more accessible. The whereabouts of a CEO of multiple companies could be of interest for investment decisions. For an ordinary private citizen this would be different.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by _djo_ on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:49AM (#33985148)
Then he’d be enforcing this for all such accounts that post aircraft movements using flight tracking data, right?

But he isn’t.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by starkd on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:28AM (#33985826)
You're right. It is contingent on the rule being applied fairly. Any one person making these decisions is bound to exhibit a bias, but we do not know if it was his decision alone. He may very well have asked others if it would be fair. That said, the real test will be if he can establish a fair system that self-patrols the speech on twitter.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:54AM (#33985260)
> there is a difference when its made extremely accessible

This has absolutely no meaning and has no parallels to surveillance of private life.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by jsight on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:00AM (#34015243)
Sure it does. Being able to observe license plates on the street is different from observing all license plates and publishing a real time feed of their location.

The police would find that useful, but courts haven't always been favorable: https://www.govtech.com/public-safety/court-south-carolinas-...

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by rootusrootus on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:44AM (#33985075)
I can get the same information on flightradar24. You want to ban them from the Internet?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by dylan604 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:08AM (#33985521)
Don't be silly. Musk just wants to ban their Twitter account if they start to post the information to his specific plane. As long as they post specifics about someone else's plane, their account will be considered in good standing.

Since it was an individual not linked to a website, it's an even easier decision for him.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by kjksf on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:40AM (#33986018)
It's not the same information.

flightradar24 tracks jets. Go ahead and see if you can figure out where Jeff Bezos or Larry Ellison is from flightrader24. You can't unless you know the jet number they happen to be using.

@ElonJet is effectively tracking Elon and broadcasting that, and only that, information to the whole world.

In theory you could track Elon yourself by correlating public info (figuring out which jets he owns and using flightrader24) but it's orders of magnitude more effort and I don't see how "you can figure it out" justify "publish it to the whole world".

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by Q6T46nT668w6i3m on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:36AM (#33984924)
You think we should enshrine property (e.g., aircraft) with a right to privacy?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by kjksf on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:48AM (#33986167)
Can I attach a GPS tracker to your car and publish the coordinates in real time to the internet?

Of course I can't. It would be illegal.

Not because of disingenuous "car has a right to privacy" logic but because any judge would conclude that by tracking a car you're tracking the owner of the car and the owner does have a right to privacy.

Similarly, if the name @ElonJet doesn't give out the purpose: the account is tracking Elon by way of tracking his jet.

Morally speaking, the justification for transparency of jet location was to track them in order to increase safety of flying.

It wasn't to enable tracking of rich people.

It's legal but it's a loophole.

And somehow Elon hate completely overshadows the fact that the guy running @ElonJet account is an asshole.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by anigbrowl on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:17PM (#33987438)
Not because of disingenuous "car has a right to privacy" logic but because any judge would conclude that by tracking a car you're tracking the owner of the car and the owner does have a right to privacy.

I think you'll find that it has far more to do with directly interfering with another person's property without permission. If you publish someone's coordinates by using publicly accessible traffic cameras or (cost considerations aside) flying your own news helicopter around, the arguments become a lot vaguer. It's not clear that there's a legal/constitutional right to privacy in the US, and indeed recent supreme court decisions about abortion seem to reject the notion; jurisprudence in the 1970s saw an implicit right to privacy in certain constitutional provisions, an idea which 'originalists' regard as BS.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by Q6T46nT668w6i3m on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:58PM (#33987146)
I think you misunderstand the situation. The transponder transmits the data. This isn’t anything like attaching a GPS device to someone’s car.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:52AM (#33985232)
Expensive property will soon have more rifhts that poor people do
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by penultimatename on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:53AM (#33985249)
I'll let the FAA know they're instrumental in violating the privacy of jet owners.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by JadeNB on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:54AM (#33985266)
> There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.

But Musk had previously called out specifically this account as one that he would not ban (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456). So, whether or not he has a right to ban it, this represents a reneging on an explicit commitment.