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Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by smcl on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:14AM (#33984555)
I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely:

1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour

2. Elon Musk changed his mind

Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by ActorNightly on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:17AM (#33985658)
I dont think he changed his mind, its just clear what his goal in buying Twitter was from the get go - the "free speech absolutionism" is the PR speak for getting more conservative/right leaning people onto Twitter, and that goal is solely for

Elon went hard right after TSLA was excluded from ESG Index (which happened under Biden), and Elons net worth is tied into TSLA stock pretty hard. In controlling Twitter, he hopes to essentially sway the public towards a more conservative view in hopes of getting Republicans elected into office, which then will result in economic policies that should drive TSLA stock up.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by jacquesm on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:08PM (#33987291)
At the rate he's destroying everything he should probably make a 'plan B' then because this one does not appear to be working on a time frame that will get him out of the hot water before the boiling point.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by smcl on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:21AM (#33985726)
I meant "changed his mind" on this whether this specific account would be allowed on Twitter (He had previously said he was allowing it)
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by yanderekko on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:18AM (#33984620)
Oh, so you can provide another example of Elon directly saying he would do X and then turning around and doing not-X a month or so later with no sort of intervening events that would justify an about-face? I can't think of any.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by dragontamer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:32AM (#33984857)
He won't buy Twitter because it has a bot problem.

Just kidding, he will buy Twitter and turn it into the everything app and it will be awesome.

September 2022 vs October 2022

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Elon will fire 75% of Twitter October statement.

Elon will not fire most of Twitter (November). Look, stupid media was tricked by Rahul Ligma.

Elon fires 75% of Twitter (December)

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by throwaway894345 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:59AM (#33985365)
I thought the court ordered Musk to buy Twitter? I wasn't paying terribly close attention, so maybe I misunderstood something? Also, what was the November statement where Musk said he wouldn't fire most of Twitter? I missed that one.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by jcranmer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:06AM (#33985482)
Musk announced his intent to actually consummate the deal with Twitter about two weeks before the trial was going to start (and right before he was going to be deposed for said trial).
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by dragontamer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:05AM (#33985460)
> I thought the court ordered Musk to buy Twitter?

Because Elon Musk signed an ironclad contract promising to buy Twitter.

> Also, what was the November statement where Musk said he wouldn't fire most of Twitter? I missed that one.

Look up the Rahul Ligma stuff. He was implying that all the media got it wrong and he wasn't going to fire Twitter employees. To Turns out the media was right. Musk was planning to fire them the whole time and Musk was just doing his usual distraction shenanigans.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by throwaway894345 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:11AM (#33985555)
> Because Elon Musk signed an ironclad contract promising to buy Twitter.

Right, but I hope you can see how "a court prevented him from changing his mind about the acquisition" is different than "he changed his mind again and decided to buy Twitter after all".

> Look up the Rahul Ligma stuff.

I did a bit of Googling, but I don't see what you're alluding to (there's a lot of coverage of Twitter drama involving Ligma, apparently). :/

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by mrguyorama on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:11PM (#33989633)
If I go to a car dealer and sign on the dotted line to buy a car, I've committed to buying the car. It doesn't matter if tomorrow, before I've taken delivery, I decide I hate that car brand and want a different one. You don't get to "change your mind" AFTER you sign the contract!
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by throwaway894345 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:32PM (#33991632)
I've been explicit twice that I'm not arguing about whether or not Musk tried to renege on his contract, but for the third time: I'm questioning the parent's claim about whether he reneged and then changed his mind __again__. That said, if you commit to buying a car, but the car that is delivered to you is not what you ordered, you absolutely are not compelled to take delivery--this is basically what Musk was asserting: that the Twitter that was advertised was not the Twitter that was being delivered. Apparently it was looking like the court wasn't buying that claim, which spurred Musk to move forward with the acquisition.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by yanderekko on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:39AM (#33984976)
>He won't buy Twitter because it has a bot problem.

I'm not asking for examples of Musk being wrong about something and correcting himself. I think it's commonly assumed that Musk discovered that this argument would not hold up in court, so he pivoted accordingly.

>Elon will not fire most of Twitter (November). Look, stupid media was tricked by Rahul Ligma.

This is a better example. Could you link a statement to this effect directly?

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by dragontamer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:44AM (#33985072)
> I'm not asking for examples of Musk being wrong about something and correcting himself.

He literally signed a document in March to buy Twitter, and literally a month later had to be sued to be forced to finish the contract.

How many times does he have to change his mind before you accept this fact?

The number of times he two-faced flip flopped on the Twitter buyout is insane. I've lost count of examples.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by yanderekko on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:04AM (#33985440)
>He literally signed a document in March to buy Twitter, and literally a month later had to be sued to be forced to finish the contract.

Yes, and the intervening event that justifies the narrative flip is that he got increased access to Twitter's internal systems and decided that the company had deeper issues than initially appreciated. Rejecting a purchase where there's a hidden defect is not flip-flopping, the fact that you can't see the obvious weakness of this example is telling.

btw, where's the statement that Elon said that he would not be firing most of Twitter? Again, that seems to be a much better example.... if you can provide it. But maybe you can't?

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by nemothekid on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:23AM (#33985753)
>Yes, and the intervening event that justifies the narrative flip is that he got increased access to Twitter's internal systems and decided that the company had deeper issues than initially appreciated.

This does not make Elon look any better. Elon himself chose to eschew due diligence when he signed the first intent to buy. The first intent to buy was incredibly unusual in the first place because he did not ask for any due-diligence.

If I tell you I will buy your car, no questions asked, and then show up and start complaining about the headlights, that is flip-flopping. It's why the whole thing went to court. Do you really think normal M&A doesn't include due-diligence?

Regardless, the "hidden" issues were a scapegoat. It is far more likely that he wanted to backout because the entire tech sector crashed and 44B was now an insane premium (SNAP, which was worth ~30B at the time is now 15B).

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by yanderekko on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:41PM (#33987926)
>Elon himself chose to eschew due diligence when he signed the first intent to buy.

Really? He specifically claimed that the offer was truly unconditional, no matter what sort of fraud or criminality might be occurring within Twitter? That seems very unlikely to me.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by nemothekid on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:01PM (#33988326)
>He specifically claimed that the offer was truly unconditional, no matter what sort of fraud or criminality might be occurring within Twitter?

Yes. This was a huge deal, I don't know how you missed it. It's also why no one believed he could get out of it. That's why he had to tried sue to cancel the deal instead of just, cancelling the deal? It wasn't even clear that if he managed to prove TWTR had misled investors that could cancel the deal.

[1] https://fortune.com/2022/08/23/twitter-elon-musk-whistleblow...

[2] https://www.businessinsider.com/judge-calls-elon-musk-legal-...

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by dragontamer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:09PM (#33989588)
Nitpick: Twitter sued for Musk to finish the deal. You got it backwards but your point is otherwise solid.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by dragontamer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:08AM (#33985522)
> Yes, and the intervening event that justifies the narrative flip

You are running away from this point. So I'll go focus on this one thank you.

Because you know the Twitter buyout has more waffles and flip flops than you care to defend.

BTW, the contract waived Elons right to research Twitter's books. Suddenly, after signing the contract, he flip flopped on that point too.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by flir on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:15AM (#33985625)
Let it go. He's not worth defending.

And sealioning's just dull, dull, dull.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by pjc50 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:25AM (#33984734)
(gestures at Twitter in general, and the recision of self driving)
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by BuildTheRobots on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:42AM (#33986054)
"Self driving? We can already do this today!"

"All the houses in this picture? They've already got our solar roof tiles fitted!" (they didn't)

"Everything Hyperloop!"

My issue with Musk isn't that he changes his mind based on new evidence, or even oversells promises of the future. It's the fact he's willing to stand in front of a crowd, look people in the eye and _flat_out_lie_ about what state things are in today.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by pilsetnieks on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:31AM (#33984844)
> Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints. > No major content decisions or account reinstatements will happen before that council convenes. > 9:18 PM · Oct 28, 2022

> The people have spoken. > Trump will be reinstated. > Vox Populi, Vox Dei. > 2:53 AM · Nov 20, 2022

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by yanderekko on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:41AM (#33985010)
Was the council never formed, or did it never convene?
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by erik_landerholm on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:48AM (#33985141)
Yes
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by BlargMcLarg on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:29AM (#33984812)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Tesla,_Inc.#Musk'... seems like a good start. The rabbit hole itself certainly goes far deeper than anyone could traverse in a few hours.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by devmor on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:28AM (#33984795)
I think it would be easier to list all of the significant commitments Elon has not turned face (or at least tried to turn face) on.

I can't think of one, can you?