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Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by wereallterrrist on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:05AM (#33984372)
Just... give Firefox a shot people. Please: https://i.imgur.com/81OpEOy.png
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by sphars on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:44AM (#33985063)
Just downloaded FF this week and started using it as my primary browser as I start to transition from Chromium-based browsers.

May I ask what you did to configure your browser that way (extensions/settings)? I like the look of it, and looking for ways to customize my setup.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by boplicity on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:51AM (#33985195)
Tree Style Tabs are nice. I also have it set up so the URL bar doesn't include search -- and the search bar is separate. This makes it easier to get to the right place by starting to type a url in the url bar. I often just type one letter and then press enter, and voila, I'm where I want to be. It "learns" over time what you're typing in.

Also, of course, you should install uBlock Origin.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by owaislone on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:58PM (#33988243)
Also try sideberry. I moved to it from TST and like it so far.
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by lioeters on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:07PM (#33992108)

  uBlock Origin
  Sidebery
  QuickCut
  SingleFile
  Popup window
  Firefox Multi-Account Containers
  Copy All Tab Urls
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by heresie-dabord on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @08:09PM (#33993553)
Also:

Privacy Badger

Duck Duck Go Privacy Essentials

Privacy Possum

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by BigElephant on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:33AM (#33985914)
How do you get vertical tabs?
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by arboles on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:55AM (#33986271)
I prefer sidebery because it's cleaner than TST OOTB

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by vorpalhex on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:57PM (#33988236)
sidebery also has very lovely tab grouping and tab sleeping (unloads the tabs from memory).

This is nice because you can take all your tabs for a research project, condense them to a group and then nap them until you come back to the project.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by arboles on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:19PM (#33989818)
> tab grouping and tab sleeping

Oh yes I forgot TST doesn't have that since I haven't used it in so long. Keeping groups of unloaded tabs might not be healthy for me, enables my tab hoarding habit.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by mcny on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:43AM (#33986062)
I believe the meta is to use tree style tabs

warning: is for advanced users

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by aembleton on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:48AM (#33986161)
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by vjerancrnjak on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:33AM (#33984873)
I tried it on mobile and it's interesting that quite a lot of websites are broken. Many tapping workflows I had in Chrome on Android are fully broken in Firefox. From simple deepl.com to Google products that look like they dropped FF support.

Even Reddit on Firefox PC crashes occasionally (the whole site turns white while browsing). Reddit on FF on Android is barely browsable.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by rcMgD2BwE72F on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:36AM (#33985946)
I haven't encountered any issue with Firefox for Android for years.

Here's how you can fix this all at once: https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/g3tyfu/how_to_swit...

Google is intentionally breaking support for Firefox on their websites. Other just don't care and support monopolies.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by vjerancrnjak on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:19PM (#33987469)
Thanks, interesting, I'll try it out. I know I convinced my wife to switch to Firefox for Android (for uBlock) and she was complaining even more than I about all of her browsing workflows being crippled.

Compared to her I rarely use my phone for browsing, I do not feel as impacted.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by dijit on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:25PM (#33987573)
Firefox does seem to be untested for a lot of websites.

You can't do video calls with Teams in firefox for a really clear and obvious example, but I encounter breakages quite often and have to switch back to Chrome.

Safari suffers the same, but I get the impression people are testing safari more than Chrome.. but I hear so many complaints on hackernews about safari, I suspect at some point Chrome penetration will finally dislodge Safari on MacOS... or if MacOS market share goes down: then it's over and we have a total monopoly.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by kbrosnan on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:01PM (#33992035)
Teams should be working in Firefox around now. https://www.onmsft.com/news/teams-meetings-set-to-support-2x...
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by reaperducer on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:43AM (#33986060)
Just... give Firefox a shot people

I did. But the Firefox UI is still very Windows-centric, and doesn't feel like a real Mac program at all.

But the big reason I don't use it is that you can't define how to switch from tab to tab.

Every program on my Mac from Safari to Nova to VS Codium to my database manager allows me to switch tabs with the standard macOS Keyboard Shortcuts settings. So I use the same keys to switch tabs in every program on my Mac. Which is part of the whole Mac experience — Things happening the same way between apps.

Even the Finder, and the DuckDuckGo browser allow this.

Not so with Firefox. The simple addition of "Show Next Tab" and "Show Previous Tab" in the drop-down menus would fix this. It's so simple. So elementary. So basic to every other Mac program I use that its absence in Firefox is glaring. I'm not going to rearrange the muscle memory I use all day every day for one program.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by drcongo on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:52PM (#33987059)
That's absolutely baffling, I had no idea. I've been lucky in that my muscle-memory-trained tab switch shortcut is the one that Firefox uses (Cmd+Option+arrows) and I apply that to every other app on Mac.
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by pxoe on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:59AM (#33985372)
firefox is overstuffed. minimal browser it is not.
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by RussianCow on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:36PM (#33986837)
Can you explain? What is it "overstuffed" with?
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by daneel_w on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @02:42PM (#33989055)
Nobody really knows. Firefox is 350 MiB in size. The Windows XP SP3 install CD is 310 MiB in size.
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by RussianCow on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:50PM (#33990349)
The Arch Linux Firefox package weighs in at 237.8 MB installed.[0] Meanwhile, Chromium is 20% larger at 285.8 MB.[1] Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium.

Also, that's not a useful comparison because web browsers are basically operating systems now, with how complex they are. Not to mention that Windows XP was released over two decades ago. So, again, I'm not sure what your point is.

[0]: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/firefox/

[1]: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by daneel_w on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @04:42PM (#33991014)
> "Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium."

Safari was 40-something MiB installed a few macOS versions ago before parts of it were migrated out of the app to become protected system libraries. The reason the others you checked are of the same size is because they are forks of the same two browsers.

Add.: I just have to disagree with the notion that browsers are "basically" operating systems because of how complex they are. They really are not. Not by a longshot. Neither do they contain the fundamentals of an operating system, nor do they contain the upper reaches of them. We can pretend they are operating system facsimiles by doing a lot of impressive and fun stuff in JavaScript and WASM, but this isn't the same thing. The complexity of an operating system, even a simplified one, is of a completely different sort and depth. This comparison only fits the sarcastic intention people have when making the comparison - we can joke about it, because of how absurdly large and tangled browsers have become.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by RussianCow on Thursday December 15, 2022 @01:26PM (#34003552)
> The reason the others you checked are of the same size is because they are forks of the same two browsers.

Exactly. What's the alternative? Safari is nice if you're on macOS/iOS but isn't available elsewhere. Every other browser that has any semblance of market share is a fork of Chromium and shares its size. So I'm not sure how Firefox is "overstuffed" but other browsers are not.

> The complexity of an operating system, even a simplified one, is of a completely different sort and depth.

I agree with this, and it's obviously an exaggeration, but I don't think it's an invalid comparison. The API surface area that browsers need to support is enormous, and they have even stricter backwards compatibility guarantees than most modern OSes. Any browser worth using is going to be pretty large simply because they're complex beasts.

Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by sound1 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:06PM (#33989515)
the parent should be at the top of the page imho
Re:Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy by wereallterrrist on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @04:38PM (#33990957)
It's +43 and seemingly pinned to the bottom of the page. But I know where I am :P.