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Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by rini17 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:56AM (#33982008)
Solar is completely sufficient for 99% of applications.
Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by courgette on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:01AM (#33982381)
Honest question, because I want that to be true at scale.

Do we know how to store it properly yet? How does solar pan out in case of surge ( eg : very cold winter night )

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by rini17 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:43AM (#33982716)
I think parent was talking about space applications.

Anyway unlike fusion, seasonal thermal storage is viable and available now, and will be scaled up in immediate future. Also, with electrical vehicles inducing massive investment into the grid, there will be both pressure and resources to solve the rest.

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by iso1631 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:40AM (#33982242)
How do you power a moon base with solar? 14 days of battery?

Fine. How do you power a Europa base with Solar? A Neptune probe?

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by floxy on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:34AM (#33985926)
>How do you power a moon base

For those interested in near term answer:

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/tdm/fission-surface-power...

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by rini17 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:31AM (#33982608)
Since we're talking in present tense that's the remaining 1%.

Moon base can be fine with power beamed from a satellite or plain mirrors in orbit, no atmosphere in the way. Might end up being still cheaper than hauling nuclear reactor there plus all the infra to reliably dump waste heat from it.

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by iso1631 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:57PM (#33990442)
"Solar and wind power are not sufficient for spacecraft"

I guess you're right that solar is useful for 99% of spacecraft -- in that they use it currently. Not a very useful observation

"and many other applications"

Power in polar regions. How well does Solar work in Antarctica? Or Alaska for that matter?

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by moloch-hai on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:39PM (#33993225)
It works super-great, collected in the tropics and shipped in chemical form. Before you object to depending on imported liquid fuel, consider that most of the world does already.

The main difference is that literally anybody can make it, not just "oil exporting countries" and "fuel refiners". And, will. And export excess production when local tankage is full.

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by iso1631 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:49AM (#33997660)
Last I looked, round-tripping solar via liquid fuel and back to electricity was under 2% before transport costs
Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by moloch-hai on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:42AM (#34000187)
Maybe look again without assuming hydrocarbon. Ammonia is a good transport medium, liquid at room temperature under low compression.
Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by rbanffy on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:47AM (#33982743)
> How do you power a moon base with solar? 14 days of battery?

Either that or a place near one of the poles where you get water and lots of sunshine. A small fission reactor is a handy thing to have, however.

> Fine. How do you power a Europa base with Solar?

A lot more solar panels, or wire loops harnessing Jupiter's magnetic field and Europa's momentum, etc. Fission is still cool for that.

> A Neptune probe?

Now we enter the nuclear fission territory. Maybe fusion, some day.

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by moloch-hai on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @09:15AM (#33983730)
Laser beams from solar concentrators are likely until aneutronic fusion pans out, if ever. Maybe after that, too.