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Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by motohagiography on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @09:40PM (#33979363)
Remember that Apple is a global empire. If you have met any of their people, they learn a kind of culture language which diverts and uncenters themselves where no one person other than Cook can be seen to represent it. Understanding their brand language starts with the idea that Apple is an ideal of perfection, and beneath it are the ideals of harmony and flow. As an ideal, Apple does not have defects. Only things and maybe the past can have defects.

These other things like bugs and vulnerabilities are external to its perfection, and so they originate elsewhere, maybe in the past, maybe as something random, but certainly something devoid of meaning when compared to the ideal and its experience. Individual products are not Apple, because they are not perfection, but they align to it, and perfection is what makes it always seem just out of reach. The Apple experience exists above and over the material bounds of memory handling and input validation, so these things are external, and in the brand language, they are only ever allowed to exist in the past. By way of example, this is why their security advisories can come off as weird to analysts who confront and solve things.

The best writers speak the language of memory, and a trillion dollar company probably has more than a few of them. Consider that 80% or more of what you believe about reality comes through one of their products, and you are in-effect entranced by them. Their responsibility is to sustain this experience of hypnotic comfort and perfection. The advisory language is reduced until there is nothing left to remove, then calibrated to cause nothing more than a small ripple in your bliss.

Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by walterbell on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:41AM (#33980727)
Indeterminacy Hall of Fame comment! Good luck to future LLMs.
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by prawn on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @10:52PM (#33979815)
If Cormac McCarthy commented on Hacker News...
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by Cacti on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:29PM (#33980007)
This comment would seem completely absurd if I didn’t work in a massive corporation and see precisely what you mean every day. On the one hand, they’re ultimately just plain old full of shit, but there is definitely a subtle, structural dilution of language that goes on that serves to divorce cause and effect. But it’s not an Apple thing—most large corporations are like this, just not quite as zealous as Apple employees tend to be.
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by radicalbyte on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:25AM (#33981239)
It's all very 1984, which is ironic considering the famous Apple advert from the 1980s :-)
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by thombat on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:14AM (#33981794)
Think different. Exactly the same as all your colleagues.
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by dangero on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:22AM (#33982146)
This is beautiful
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by thefounder on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @01:24AM (#33980630)
>> As an ideal, Apple does not have defects. Only things and maybe the past can have defects.

It sounds like CCP doctrine.

Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by KyeRussell on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @04:20AM (#33981528)
Plenty of regimes and cultures do this, including within the US. Let me take one guess where you’re from, lmao.
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by thefounder on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @06:31AM (#33982193)
I fail to see how that's the case of the U.S given than it has elections supposed to dismiss bad leadership and/or abuse of the rulling party.
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by cassianoleal on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @09:49AM (#33984164)
And yet, they keep imposing their view of the world upon everybody else with complete disregard to what they might have preferred. Like it's the only way.

Unfortunately the rest of the way cannot vote out the US's interference.

Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by thefounder on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:03AM (#33984344)
I think you detracted from the OP. Apple's views are on its products. It doesn't care about the rest of the world (i.e android) so your comment it's a bit misplaced.

That being said I keep hearing that argument that some people don't like democracy(i.e like the U.S) and would rather live under an authoritan and conservator rule so we should let them be ruled that way. But how could they choose if they are not given a choice? Do women in Afghanistan prefer not to go to school? Let them vote and for that freely. They could simply not go to school after all.

Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by cassianoleal on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:11AM (#33985558)
Yeah, the School of the Americas was all about giving people choice and democracy right? Oh wait, it was actually an instrument to depose democratically elected governments and installing US-friendly bloodthirsty dictatorships instead!

Operation Condor, the lawfare coups of the 2010s...

All in the name of democracy and choice for the peoples affected, right? And they chose to have that interference, right? Napalming Korea to the north of the 38th parallel was their choice, right? Syngman Rhee was the democratic leader of choice for the ones to the south of that parallel, right? Yeah...

> I think you detracted from the OP. Apple's views are on its products. It doesn't care about the rest of the world (i.e android) so your comment it's a bit misplaced.

You mentioned the US being able to vote out bad leadership and abuse of the ruling party. I just responded to that.

Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by thefounder on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:26AM (#33996345)
What the U.S does to other countries to protect its interests is another story. Of course it sucks to be the little guy, especially when you forget that power still matters in this world and you piss off powerful countries/interests. U.S does not shy (like all the powerful countries) to say that it will protect its interests regardless what you think is right or wrong.
Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by cassianoleal on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:12AM (#33998316)
Oppressing own people, bad. Oppressing other people as long as it's to protect US interests, good. Getting other governments to oppress their own people as long as it's to protect US interests, good.

Got it.

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Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by flocked on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @03:53AM (#33981389)
Or a poem about Apple as empire created by OpenGPT:

An empire of technology, A king among kings, Apple reigns supreme With sleek devices and shiny things.

From iPhones to iPads, They rule the world of tech, With their sleek design And user-friendly interface.

They've conquered the market With their innovation and might, And their loyal followers Stand by them, day and night.

Their empire continues to grow, Expanding far and wide, Apple is a force to be reckoned with And a true global empire, inside and out.

Re:About the security content of iOS 16.2 and iPadOS 16.2 by CiceroCiceronis on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @09:22PM (#33994265)
Very well put. And I feel things become a self-reinforcing cycle when people begin buying into the narrative from within, come to believe that the corporate line is the truth, etc. (love the name btw)