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Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by chaostheory on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:06PM (#33978164)
We have a free market.

No one is forcing you to buy products you don’t like. You’re confusing government sanctioned duopolies (created from bad regulation) like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T for Apple. You are free to buy alternative products from other companies.

> It has nothing to do with "uniformity" or "convention over configuration" at all.

Actually it does. The hardware is uniform and consistent, and therefore so are the drivers. There is a price to choice. Google is also one of the best software companies in the world.

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by t00 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @08:09PM (#33978685)
About that free market - it might be free but lobbying culture in the US starts early, at school where Apple pushes products to influence future choices of students. Not choosing something which is used by everyone around is probably more difficult psychologically than standing up to the status quo and choosing alternatives whatever they are.

There are choices made for use - having a phone on which everyone around communicates, having an internet connection from the only provider in the area.

Uniformity is a choice if the alternative is a viable choice and this is a complex matter.

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by rekoil on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:09AM (#33981778)
With the price of smartphones these days I'm betting a lot more people use work-provided devices privately than before. You don't always have a choice between Android and iOS in those instances.
Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by smoldesu on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @08:29PM (#33978852)
> We have a free market.

And look where it got us.

Re:Apple to allow outside app stores in overhaul spurred by ... by throw10920 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @11:45AM (#34095344)
> We have a free market.

With regulations. That people generally accept and agree are necessary to some extent...

> No one is forcing you to buy products you don’t like.

...even for goods that you have the option of not purchasing. It literally doesn't matter how many baby bottle manufacturers there are in the US - it is illegal for all of them to put BPA in their baby bottle products, regardless of whether their competitors don't.

> You’re confusing government sanctioned duopolies

No, I'm not. The US has boatloads of laws making it illegal to sell various things in markets where there's absolutely no monopolies/duopolies/oligopolies and buyers have ample choices, such as the above.

> Actually it does. The hardware is uniform and consistent, and therefore so are the drivers.

You're intentionally changing the use of "uniformity" from being about high-level OS user-facing design ("the features of the product should completely unnecessarily be restricted for all users for the dubious benefit of a tiny subset of them" + "Uniformity and convention over configuration" = talking about OS design) to implementation, which is a completely separate issue that's unrelated to the current discussion about user freedom. This is an admittedly clever slight of hand, but makes your point no less invalid.

> There is a price to choice.

Sure - but you haven't shown what the price is to allowing users to use whatever app store they want, you've just brought in completely irrelevant examples like phone hardware choice.

> Google is also one of the best software companies in the world.

Regardless of the truth of this statement, it doesn't change the fact that they're generally bad (note that "bad" is absolute, "best" is relative) at designing software, per my lived experience with dozen of bugs in dozens of Google products across browsers and operating systems over years of use.