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Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by jerf on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:47PM (#33972640)
Fusion bombs have existed since the early 1950s. Technology rapidly developed to the point that they can essentially be built to be arbitrarily large, far beyond any practical war purpose. There is no need for any larger bomb than what was built many decades ago. None of this research is necessary for bombs. All of the difficult problems fusion power generation faces with long-term plasma confinement go away when you're just trying to squeeze as hard as you can and are willing to use fission bombs to do it in an otherwise uncontrolled manner.
Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by exmadscientist on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @01:38PM (#33973643)
> None of this research is necessary for bombs.

And yet that's exactly why the NIF was actually built. They do plenty of weapons research: https://wci.llnl.gov/facilities/nif I'm told the building was even built to switch over between civilian and classified use unusually quickly, but I'm having trouble turning up a citation for that right now with just my phone and 2022-Google.

> All of the difficult problems fusion power generation faces with long-term plasma confinement go away when you're just trying to squeeze as hard as you can and are willing to use fission bombs to do it in an otherwise uncontrolled manner.

Not if you want them to fit in a submarine warhead. This sort of work is not easy to do well.

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:58PM (#33974812)
> And yet that's exactly why the NIF was actually built.

You're both half-right.

The NIF is the replacement for nuclear tests. It's necessary to maintain the arsenal in a working fashion, as the warheads degrade over time and have to be replaced with new ones. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=655921...

The NIF is not for more powerful nuclear weapons, as that's entirely unnecessary. If anything, most interest these days is in less powerful weapons for potential battlefield use.

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by cheriot on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @06:28PM (#33977801)
> And yet that's exactly why the NIF was actually built. They do plenty of weapons research

It's not the only thing they do.

Re:US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved by jboy55 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:21PM (#33974298)
It is necessary since they banned the testing of nuclear weapons. Before they would do this kind of research by imploding a cylinder of uranium encasing a hydrogen core with X-rays produced by a "Fat Man" style bomb. Now they implode a cylindrical casing full of hydrogen by x-rays caused by a laser vaporizing an outer layer.

“It’s a big milestone, but NIF is not a fusion-energy device,” says Dave Hammer, a nuclear engineer at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York.

Herrmann acknowledges as much, saying that there are many steps on the path to laser fusion energy. “NIF was not designed to be efficient,” he says. “It was designed to be the biggest laser we could possibly build to give us the data we need for the [nuclear] stockpile research programme.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04440-7