News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by throwaway98797 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:35AM (#33971189)
posting a number can help confident people but hurts others

example, developer makes 100k, has imposter syndrome, sees a great job that has an internal range of 150k-200k. if the dev knew the range they’d think no way they would qualify for THAT much money. the company would happily pay at bottom range for them, but instead they don’t even see the developer.

ranges select for confident people.

Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by SpeedilyDamage on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:39AM (#33971289)
I'm sorry but... what kind of victim blaming nonsense is this? Seeing a salary range intimidates people?!

That's 100% worth the cost, friend. Knowing what you're applying for/to is absolutely critical information, and having it before applying is a substantial amount of leverage in any negotiation.

That's like saying people shouldn't post where a job is because some people might not live there, or not to post C++ jobs because not everyone knows C++...

Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by throwaway98797 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:42PM (#33974594)
i’ve had nearly 10+ jobs and i never knew the range

also on higher levels comp comes from equity base pay of $100k is immaterial if RSU/equity is $500k

i do believe it hurts the people in weaker positions vs helping

cause high comp individuals know how to play the game anyways

Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by badpun on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:46AM (#33981949)
If you care about people in weaker positions so much, perhaps develop a web plugin for them which will hide the compensation amount on the job pages?
Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by SpeedilyDamage on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @03:46PM (#33975505)
There's just so much here in your small comment (you've burned through "nearly 10+ jobs" and you're giving advice to people?!) I can't really address this but to say you're completely wrong that it hurts people to know what they'd get paid for a job, and I think that's pretty obviously the case, as do most folks, including the good people of New York who passed a law requiring it.
Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by ancientworldnow on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @11:42AM (#33971335)
Read another way, hiding salary range let's companies take advantage of low confidence applicants by exploiting their labor at below market rates.

Insecurity in pay only arises through hiding the true value of labor.

Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by Kalium on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:12PM (#33971903)
OK. Let's take it as read that ranges discourage the uncertain and nervous. How should companies go about posting ads that treats those people compassionately and puts them on an event footing with confident people? Preferably while not denying people who would like to see it useful information?
Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by throwaway98797 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @02:38PM (#33974549)
my point was that ranges can hurt

maybe a solution is to have a website that had to post a range but also require them to post it on another site where ranges are not allowed

so those that want to see jobs and not be distracted by $ can do so

Re:Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary range... by lazyasciiart on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @03:10PM (#33974998)
Write a greasemonkey script. Or pay someone to do it for you. Reducing the amount of information available in a job posting is easily solvable client-side, especially since I disagree with you about the overall negative effect.