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Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by pcurve on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @05:14AM (#33966798)
Apollo is the private equity giant that bought the company in 2016 in a $4.3 billion deal.

The latest market cap is less than $800 million on sale of more than $3 billion / year. Still losing money.

Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by ferdek on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @05:55AM (#33967120)
Officially, Rackspace is ~30% sold short. Someone is already making tax-free billions shorting it to death.
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by koolba on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @06:52AM (#33967646)
Why would it be tax free? Until the position is closed out it'd be an unrealized gain but there's nothing special about shorting. Gains are not taxed until they're actually realized by closing out the position.
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by ferdek on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:16AM (#33967886)
Maybe I misremembered something and cannot find a source now, but I think there was some way to avoid paying tax on short sales when company goes bankrupt and gets delisted.

EDIT: See sibling comment.

EDIT 2: Am I reading this right? almost 1,800,000 shares failed to deliver just in one day of Sep 22nd? [0]

[0] https://fintel.io/ss/us/rxt

Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by kaashif on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:26AM (#33967975)
If the company actually goes bankrupt and their stock is delisted from exchanges, covering your position becomes much harder since liquidity is greatly reduced.

I think the ideal scenario for a short seller is if the stock loses 99%, stays listed, they cover, then it gets delisted.

I might have that wrong though.

Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by seabird on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @10:22AM (#33970017)
You have that wrong; bankruptcy is the ideal scenario for somebody with a short position. The brokerage writes it off. The shares are worthless, so why go after somebody for owing you $0?
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by kaashif on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @07:52AM (#33982778)
I did some research and found that I was right.

No-one's going to go after you. The problem is that you have to keep paying the fee to borrow shares, and you can never repay that loan because there are no shares available anywhere.

See this article for an example: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-04-11/-go-to...

> He shorted some stocks that he thought were frauds, and the SEC agreed that they were frauds and halted them, and then ... things got worse for him. The shares were worthless, but they didn't trade at zero or $0.01 or whatever: They didn't trade at all, so he couldn't buy them back to deliver to his stock lenders.

Usually short sellers do manage to cover at some point before the stock completely stops trading though.

Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by SteveNuts on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:13AM (#33967837)
By leaving the position open forever and taking a loan against the security.
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by gmiller123456 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @10:43AM (#33970305)

    By leaving the position open forever and taking a loan against the security.
Where would they get the money to pay installments on the loan? What you're claiming is really just shuffling around which dollar gets taxed.
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by kaashif on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:28AM (#33967999)
I'm not sure I understand - to sell short you already need to borrow securities, can you actually take loans against a short position that becomes worth something? That's interesting.
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by ferdek on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:36AM (#33968070)
You can Fail-to-deliver and never locate the stock that you are supposed to borrow. Or you can short ETF with this specific company in basket while going long on anything else in this ETF.

Everything you own, even your own debt, can be used as a collateral by creating and selling swaps.

Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by tdees40 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:50AM (#33968186)
I work in markets. No, you cannot just fail to deliver. I'm also not sure how the ETF thing would work. If it's 1% of the ETF you're going to hedge out the position using a giant notional. It doesn't work.
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by ferdek on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @08:05AM (#33968313)
Official SEC document regarding regulation SHO describes both illegal and legal cases when you can "just" fail to deliver [0]. Market makers which also happen to have hedge-fund branches are having the most flexibility in this.

[0] https://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/regsho.htm

Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by tdees40 on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @08:24AM (#33968480)
So it may not be illegal in all cases (although it is in many cases), but how does failing to deliver close out a short position?
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by popcorncowboy on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @06:54AM (#33967660)
Not that I'm saying Apollo's strategy was to pump, dump, short and then crash the company, but if you could generate the trading volume to support the play, you could make money at every point in that trade.
Re:The death of Rackspace’s ‘fanatical support’ by lordnacho on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @07:16AM (#33967873)
What was the plan? AFAICT they were in a tight spot strategically at the time, and still are. You have AWS as the behemoth, GCP as the pretender, and a whole bunch of other vendors like DO and Hetzner, making things competitive to put it mildly.