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Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by makeitdouble on Sunday December 11, 2022 @07:44PM (#33949434)
> Yet Japanese manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons. Last year the manga print market shrank by 2.3% to ¥265bn ($1.9bn). The size of the global webtoons market was meanwhile valued at $3.7bn—and projected to reach $56bn by 2030.

Manga market is valued at 4.5bn USD (613 bn JPY)[0] so we’re not there yet.

On the format part, it’s interesting to see manga publishers adapting to smartphones and sometimes have two versions published: one vertically scrollable “decomposed” stream of the story, and a “recomposed” book format version sold as comic book in the traditional way. Line manga does that, and I’d expect a bunch more companies to have made the move.

All in all, good ideas spread fast in those spheres, and the article’s “The industry’s business model has hardly changed since the 1960s” tagline is I think misleading regarding the industry’s ability to adapt.

https://www.statista.com/topics/7559/manga-industry-in-japan...

Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by bluepizza on Sunday December 11, 2022 @07:52PM (#33949491)
> The size of the global webtoons market was meanwhile valued at $3.7bn—and projected to reach $56bn by 2030.

This is called wishful thinking. The research was ordered by webtoons producers.

Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by olliecornelia on Sunday December 11, 2022 @10:16PM (#33950455)
Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by zerocrates on Monday December 12, 2022 @02:17AM (#33951864)
Hoping before I click that this is Disco Stu's "if these trends continue... ayyy" line.

edit: ayyy

Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by deathofmurat on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @12:21AM (#33965144)
These are incredibly agressive growth estimates, but many competitors in the manga/comics space are rushing to grab their proverbial pieces of pie - disclaimer: this is anecdotal from experience working in the field
Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by bluepizza on Tuesday December 13, 2022 @04:30AM (#33966528)
Those growth estimates are assuming there is more pie.

We've seen this over and over again, from telenovelas to anime to k-drama - the pie is never that large.

Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by Macha on Sunday December 11, 2022 @07:57PM (#33949528)
How well does this work in practice? I'd imagine it works better for stuff like 4koma style where the panels have a consistent size/emphasis and stick rigidly inside the confines of the panel but what happens for big dramatic panels? Are they just avoided? Do they have parts of the overlapped panels duplicated? Do they need to produce an entirely different version of a panel for being a book page vs a scrolling format?
Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by makeitdouble on Sunday December 11, 2022 @10:06PM (#33950396)
The best case I've seen is Clevatess [0].

With absolutely no internal knowledge, I assume the author cuts the panels in traditional book style and specifies colors and background etc., and from there basically two teams running in parallel, one producing the vertical stream from the digital assets, and the other executing on the panel format.

This makes the vertical stream very readable, well balance and optimized, with none of the clunky artifacts that appear on manga that have been 'converted' for mobile format.

Looking at how there's actually three (!) versions of the series released in parallel, I'd assume they're just throwing money where it matters to cover the most ground.

[0] https://manga.line.me/product/periodic?id=Z0000841

Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by rcthompson on Sunday December 11, 2022 @08:08PM (#33949609)
There's a lot of variation in how the vertical scrolling format is used. Some just use it as "one panel at a time" but with a worse UX, while others lean hard into the scrolling format with things like sprawling panels longer than the length of the screen meant to be read while scrolling, among other things.

(It's a bit like asking "how well does putting comics on pages work?" Different comics use the medium very differently.)

Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by falcolas on Sunday December 11, 2022 @08:10PM (#33949617)
So, to be a jerk and not give an answer, I'm going to instead suggest picking up V1 of the official Solo Leveling translation. It's under $10, and you can do a side-by-side comparison.

It's also a great manhwa, and supporting the authors and English translations can't be a wrong thing to do. :)

https://books.apple.com/us/book/solo-leveling-vol-1-comic/id...

Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by wodenokoto on Monday December 12, 2022 @01:51AM (#33951729)
Isn't that in the other direction? Created for vertical and then later published on paper?
Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by falcolas on Monday December 12, 2022 @11:32AM (#33956656)
Yes, that's what I meant; sorry if I mucked it up. :)
Re:Japanese Manga are being eclipsed by Korean webtoons by falcolas on Sunday December 11, 2022 @08:08PM (#33949603)
> have two versions published

Solo Leveling (a Korean Manhwa) is doing exactly that with their ebook publishing - so it'd definitely an industry thing, not limited to any one country.

I'm not sure I like it, but if I want it as an ebook (at least in part to support the authors and keep getting manga/manhwa in the US), there's not a lot of choice either.