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Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by cortesoft on Friday December 09, 2022 @10:54PM (#33929719)
There is SO MUCH empty land out in deserts. We aren't going to run out of space.
Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by masklinn on Saturday December 10, 2022 @02:46AM (#33930809)
As I was told last time I noted there’s lot of arid places you could put panel in, aside from ecological concerns arid places tend to be dusty and abrasive.

Wind kicks up dust, dust clings to panel, no rain for months on end, panels get covered up and scratched. Turns out there’s issues to using these spaces, and you need additional hardware (and thus have additional failure modes) to mitigate them.

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by justinator on Friday December 09, 2022 @11:21PM (#33929811)
Deserts ≠ wastelands. They're home to their own ecosystems.
Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by imoverclocked on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:05AM (#33930050)
Yes, they are also very fragile and take a long time to recover.

I think solar panels done right could actually help a desert though. Providing shade can allow some plants to thrive but most solar developers aren’t thinking about the ecology of a region.

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by jacquesm on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:57AM (#33931123)
Large installations usually come with mandatory ecological impact assessment requirements.
Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by imoverclocked on Saturday December 10, 2022 @01:02PM (#33934907)
How many of these mandatory impact assessments are identifying ways of improving the ecosystem with their installation? Obviously I don’t mean by by displacing carbon.
Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by lazide on Sunday December 11, 2022 @12:49AM (#33940470)
If you’re providing massive amounts of new shade in an ecosystem that normally doesn’t get it, that is going to change things.
Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by chrisbaker98 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:51AM (#33931343)
From a purely selfish human point of view, how important are desert ecosystems to the overall health of the planet and the planet's ability to support human life?

I feel like sacrificing the deserts to save the rainforests is a trade worth making - but is such a trade even possible, or is it not that simple?

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by StanislavPetrov on Saturday December 10, 2022 @05:07AM (#33931391)
Deserts are a critical part of our ecosystem just like every other part of the planet.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/201...

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by dr_dshiv on Saturday December 10, 2022 @06:07AM (#33931629)
This article actually suggests that desertification is a critical part of the Rainforest ecosystem.

There are important deserts and there are important grasslands and important forests. It seems a valid point that not all ecosystems are of equal importance.

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by justinator on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:25AM (#33933897)
>From a purely selfish human point of view

Well that's a point of view that's never steered us wrong.

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by chrisbaker98 on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:08AM (#33941543)
Well we've been the dominant species on our planet for tens of thousands of years, so I'd say it's gone pretty well so far.
Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by justinator on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:46AM (#33955916)
Pretty well so far for whom? We've initiated a mass global extinction. There wasn't ever a competition to take over the world as a species - no award, no prize - no one and nothing cares.

The only way we've done it is by eliminating everything in our path. We've been excellent at justifying eliminating entire ecosystems - when will we stop?

Probably right before we've justified eliminating entire countries of people with the weapons of death we've developed by extracting every last resource for the ground by digging it up.

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by neltnerb on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:52AM (#33931098)
It would be interesting paired with some kind of heat sink.

Solar cells need a heat sink to keep them cool or else the efficiency sucks.

Deserts tend to be cold at night.

Capture heat during the day as a byproduct of using the solar panels, and use it at night for heating homes? Maybe I'm being too optimistic, usually things that improve efficiency don't actually work for some reason.

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by shapefrog on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:45AM (#33931313)
There is SO MUCH empty land on the roof of our buildings - and electricity using devices within said buildings.
Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by JoeAltmaier on Saturday December 10, 2022 @06:54AM (#33931804)
Rooftops are not that much land area. A few percent of a city landscape?

Further it's dangerous. Installation, maintenance become a headache and a risk.

Then, so many rooftops are not in optimal 'viewing locations'. Shaded by trees; shaded by neighboring buildings especially in a city.

It seems natural to a non-engineer to 'make electricity where you need it'. But rooftops don't scale with need, not at all. An apartment building on a lot with 3 stories or 30, same rooftop area. Terrible economics.

And electricity is fungible! Make it over there; use it over here. Almost free. Certainly cheaper than struggling to mount something delicate in the hardest place you can find.

Re:A 100MW solar farm in Texas will mount panels directly on... by escalt on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:59AM (#33932657)
That might be true in some places, but in Europe for example there really isn't that much room left. And moving large quantities of electricity from a desert to a place where people actually use it is also a challenge