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Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by lamontcg on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @06:09PM (#33901720)
Problem is that due to the bullshit asymmetry principle, explaining why takes orders of magnitude more effort than producing the bullshit in the first place.

If you unconditionally accept bullshit but require an explanation in order to reject it, then you're going to wind up believing a lot of bullshit.

Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by bawolff on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @06:53PM (#33902117)
The same thing applies to people yelling bullshit. Its a lot easier to just falsely yell bullshit than it is to explain why something is not actually bullshit.

Generally i go with the imputus is on the person making the claim. I want the original person to back up their claim before i will care, but i also want anyone counterclaiming BS to also back up their claim before i care.

Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by lamontcg on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @08:50PM (#33903074)
In reality most people tend to back one side or the other based on their "gut" and if they've had a similar showerthought before and it backs up their own ego, while requiring extensive proof to change their mind.

Also in an ideal world you shouldn't just passively consume arguments on the internet, but do actual reading on the subject. Neither side on an internet debates actually owes you anything.

Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by bawolff on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @09:28PM (#33903334)
> Neither side on an internet debates actually owes you anything.

I disagree, the person trying to convince you of something always owes you an explanation.

Actual reading on something, while a good thing, never resolves an argument because you can't replace the person you are arguing with's premises with a generic premise from somewhere else and come to a reasonable conclusion.

Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday December 08, 2022 @02:06AM (#33905090)
> I disagree, the person trying to convince you of something always owes you an explanation.

Oh definitely not. I’m happy to make one post explaining my position… then walk away.

I discovered and internet superpower… it doesn’t bother me if you are wrong.

Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by bawolff on Thursday December 08, 2022 @04:45AM (#33906143)
I mean, i think we agree here. One post explaining your position is what i think is owed - if you gave zero explanation but still expected people to believe you (e.g. just yelled "bullshit" and walked away), i think that would be an unreasonable position.
Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by lamontcg on Thursday December 08, 2022 @02:00PM (#33911679)
> I disagree, the person trying to convince you of something always owes you an explanation.

Nope, nobody owes you anything on the Internet.

You shouldn't believe them, of course. But you need to have the tools to figure it out for yourself.

Re:Publicity Stunt Fallout by anigbrowl on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @06:33PM (#33901934)
This is worthy of expansion into a blog post or similar discussion piece. Public discourse has long been weaponized for economic or political profit, but otherwise well-intentioned people keep falling for the same tricks over and over.