The Chinese Civil Examinations

Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by spiritplumber on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @12:30PM (#33897291)

Given that CPS in Texas will attempt to take gender-non-conforming kids who have the support of their parents in being GNC, and that it's in Texas, I am pleasantly surprised that there have been no deaths with that policy.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by whimsicalism on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @01:22PM (#33898005)

AFAICT this is not taken into account by Texas CPS in any way. Look for articles on it.

Yes, Texas legislators passed a virtue signaling law to do so, but it was blocked immediately. there is also a big gap between what laws are passed and the realistic chance of your child being taken away when the system actually confronts families.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by prottog on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @12:50PM (#33897579)

> surprised that there have been no deaths with that policy

The lunacy of today's synthetic sex identity movement aside, what did you imagine, that the Texas state government would take these kids out back and shoot them?

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by whimsicalism on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @05:13PM (#33901076)

That children would commit suicide after being taken from their parents due to their gender politics. Seems pretty plausible to me, transgender folks are already at increased risk of suicide.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by djbebs on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @01:40PM (#33898286)

Pretty sure he was surprised no parents had blown one of the CPS people heads clean off in their front lawn when they came around to take their kids.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @07:52PM (#33902646)

Trans people denied gender-affirming treatment have monumentally higher suicide rates than their peers. You know that.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by logicchains on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @10:13PM (#33903682)

Trans people given gender-affirming treatment also have a monumentally higher suicide rate than their peers: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/acps.13164

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by PhasmaFelis on Thursday December 08, 2022 @12:21AM (#33904494)

Higher than cis people, perhaps, but much lower than if they had not received treatment.

Which is the whole point. They're better off with proper treatment than without. Anti-trans activists don't care about kids' welfare, they just want them to conform at any cost.

https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(21)00568-1/full...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/277...

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transge...

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by kurikuri on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @11:11PM (#33904039)

Yes, and?

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by mensetmanusman on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @09:34PM (#33903382)

No one knows that, it’s not falsifiable.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by PhasmaFelis on Thursday December 08, 2022 @12:23AM (#33904510)

If "Demographic A has higher suicide rates than demographic B" is not falsifiable, then I'm not sure what is.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by mensetmanusman on Thursday December 08, 2022 @07:35AM (#33907194)

We can’t interview demographic A after they are gone.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by PhasmaFelis on Thursday December 08, 2022 @03:16PM (#33912727)

I...what? If you find someone hanging from a noose with no sign of force or a struggle, you don't need an interview to know what happened.

What are you even trying to do, here?

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by whimsicalism on Thursday December 08, 2022 @11:54AM (#33910130)

Pretty surprising a research scientist doesn't know what falsifiability is.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by mensetmanusman on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:47AM (#33933573)

Well, in general falsifiability and its application to psychology is up for debate because it is generally unethical/impossible to run single variable control experiments on humans :)

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.0062...

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by PhasmaFelis on Monday December 12, 2022 @10:43AM (#33955876)

Irrelevant in this case. You don't need a double-blind experiment to determine suicide rates, as I already said.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by whimsicalism on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:33AM (#33933955)

You don't need to have single variable control to make inferences about differences between population subgroups, only to infer causality.

We certainly know that people who identify as transgender are at higher risk of suicide than the broader population.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by mensetmanusman on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @09:26AM (#33983882)

Exactly, I was poking at the confidence expressed by the OP that inferred causality. Having more nuance and expressing less confidence would be closer to reality.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by yunic on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @11:37PM (#33904215)

Gender non-conforming children are being helped by this new Texas law, which prevents parents from transing them at the first hint of GNC behavior.

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Re:The Chinese Civil Examinations by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @07:41PM (#33902559)

This misuse of "groomer" to mean "queer sympathizer" pulls vital attention away from kids who are actually being groomed for abuse. Believe what you want, but don't pretend you care about the kids.

Edit: BTW, there are mountains of evidence showing far better life outcomes for trans kids and adults who receive gender-affirming treatment, with or without surgery. If you actually care about the welfare of trans kids, you should educate yourself and stop listening to lying bigots.

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