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Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by rikroots on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:01PM (#33886209)
As a committed conlanger (but not a good one: I didn't land the Dothraki contract), I read this article with some trepidation. Is my weird little hobby soon to fall victim to the oncoming AI tsunami?

After the read, I find myself pleasantly surprised. My initial suspicion that the language would turn out to be Just Another Relex (make a new language by replacing English words with invented words, keeping the grammar and syntax the same) was clearly a waste of a suspicion. Furthermore I can see this approach being really useful to writers/game makers/etc who want to include a smattering of conlang in their work - for instance a non-relex naming language for placenames, overheard snatches of conversations, etc - to add an extra layer of spice to it.

So, I don't feel threatened by this novel use of AI. It could prove to be a really useful tool to help with some often laborious tasks (creating test translations to try out an idea, etc). I just hope the AI had as much fun inventing its language as I've had inventing mine!

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by itisit on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:30PM (#33886580)
It's great to hear that you found the article interesting and that you don't feel threatened by the use of AI in conlanging. As you mentioned, the AI-generated language in the article is quite different from a relex and could potentially be a useful tool for writers and game makers. It's also worth noting that AI is not yet advanced enough to fully replace the creative process of conlanging, so you shouldn't worry about your hobby becoming obsolete anytime soon. In fact, the use of AI in conlanging may even inspire new ideas and approaches to the art form.
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by davea37 on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:36PM (#33886665)
Have I spent too long reading AI output, or was this reply in fact generated using ChatGPT?
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by itisit on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:45PM (#33886759)
The latter...forgive me! I had to just this once, and I promise not to generate a bunch of ChatGPT pollution on HN!
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by robocat on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:27PM (#33887306)
If unsure, paste into https://huggingface.co/openai-detector and check. If the detector says 99% fake, it is very likely fake. The detector can mistake ChatGPT generated text as real (maybe because it was trained to detect GPT2), for example one text I generated scored 99.94% real. I suspect it is better to paste just a few sentences (especially for a generated blog partially modified by a human?). Although there are legitimate uses, such as people using ChatGPT to correct their grammar — https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33884842 . . . Also if I find GPT generated comments that are not clearly labelled, I flag and downvote.
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by itisit on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:56PM (#33887658)
> Also if I find GPT generated comments that are not clearly labelled, I flag and downvote.

As you should.

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by nadavr on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @03:42PM (#33886730)
Why isn't this a relex? As an interested casual linguistics observer, that's what it looks like to me. Is it just because the nouns are inflected?
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by OJFord on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:05PM (#33887024)
Easiest reason is the 'introduction particle', blub which we don't have in English, for subordinate clauses.

I think 'taught ChatGPT to invent a' is hyperbolic though, this is more like 'taught ChatGPT my invented' - the only thing it invents itself are the 'relex' word->word mappings.

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by rikroots on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:20PM (#33887215)
I agree the author/experimenter seems to have done most of the conlanging here. The development benefit comes, I think, from having the AI reflect back the work so the experimenter can correct output and consider their conlanging decisions (eg use vowels for case marking).

I'm now wondering how the AI would cope with one of my conlangs. I have example sentences already - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YT9KzgvFu8DNWVL02t1NGgRS...

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by nadavr on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @06:37PM (#33888658)
Isn't `blub` more or less equivalent to `that` or `which`?
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by baq on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:09PM (#33887079)
You told chatgpt to write this comment, didn't you.
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by rikroots on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:14PM (#33887136)
Tempting, but no. I'm too busy failing at Advent of Code to start playing with chatgpt today.
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by baq on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:20PM (#33887222)
It has truly begun, then. I've mistaken a real human for an AI.

marks the date

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by shagie on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @06:32PM (#33888615)
Some time back I recall a PBS program (Nova? - though I think it was Alan Alda which would have made it Scientific American Frontiers) that had a Turing test of sorts in it.

The structure of that test (this was a while back - couldn't do an unconstrained one) had a panel composed of some chat bots and some humans (10 total, though the number isn't too important). Each was limited to the area of their specialty - I think there was a chatbot that had its specialty of bartending drinks.

The people evaluating them rated them on a distinct 1-10(?) scale. The question was trying to find a "what is the most human like chat bot."

Part of it was that the human expert in Shakespeare was considered to be more computer like than many of the chatbots in part because of the depth of knowledge in that domain.

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by passwd on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @08:20AM (#33894010)
The date where you failed a reverse Turing test. A Gnirut test, if you will.
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by codetrotter on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @04:37PM (#33887419)
Tell ChatGPT to solve Advent of Code for you :D

Like so, https://video.nstr.no/w/6z7PxB4J92H3NHhgMmfYVw

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by shagie on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @06:35PM (#33888638)
The advent of code problems have gotten beyond the "easy to solve" category. Days 5 and 6 have gotten more tricky.

https://github.com/ishan0102/aoc-2022-chatgpt

> Day 5: Supply Stacks

> This day actually threw me for a loop because parsing the input is so challenging. After spending a while on prompting I wasn't able to produce anything meaningful. I might actually stop after today if the puzzles keep getting harder because I don't want to spend all this time messing with input parsing. This highlights some of the limitations well, we still need human input to coax the model into understanding how to break down a hard problem.

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by harshalizee on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @07:04PM (#33888902)
A little hint for parsing Day5 -- Regex is your friend.
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by shagie on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @08:28PM (#33889606)
I didn't have a problem with it... but its a "how do you get to the spot where its mostly bug fixing using ChatGPT and prompts?"

For that repo (not mine - mine is over at https://github.com/shagie/AoC_2022 ), day 5 is where they got to the point where the complexity of the description of the problem is greater than the complexity of the problem itself.

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by rightbyte on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @06:32PM (#33888607)
I have never seen the bot use parentheses like he did.
Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by fernly on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @06:31PM (#33888601)
Let's teach it Lojban.

Edit: I asked it; and it knows about Lojban but it clearly only parroting the Wikipedia entry or something similar.

Re:I Taught ChatGPT to Invent a Language by int_19h on Wednesday December 07, 2022 @12:57AM (#33891106)
I did a similar experiment, except that I started with phonology of the language, and it's pretty decent at that too if you want to get it to "sound like something". It does understand stuff like place and manner of articulation, how adjacent phonemes can affect each other etc.