What's the solution, though? I live in California, and my state-issued ID doesn't say anything about my US citizenship. When I registered to vote (online), I had to certify that I was eligible to vote. Yes, the penalties for lying are steep, but if the state can't verify if I'm lying or not, how will I get caught?

If SCOTUS says states can't require proof of citizenship for voter registration, how can they exclude non-citizens from voter rolls? The state hasn't created a catch-22; the federal judiciary has told the states that they effectively can't use citizenship as a requirement for voting.

I feel like I'm missing something here, because this can't be the state of things.

> We have a national ID issue which needs to be fixed.

What issue is this? Why do we need a national ID? What purpose would one serve? Plenty of Americans go through their lives just fine without any sort of federally-issued ID. Pretty much all you have to do is never travel outside the US, and many Americans don't.

> What purpose would one serve?

Aside from the hundreds of other cost-and-convenience reasons, eliminating the SSN (and associated fraud) would be easily worth it on its own.

Even if it were true that plenty of people get through life without a federal ID, that doesn’t mean all do. As I have said other places in this thread, the rickety machinery of federal identity replication grinds up plenty of people.

What? The federal government says citizenship has to stay outside of voting? That makes no sense. This is why American Samoans can't vote for federal elections even when they live in the states. The federal government requires citizenship as a condition of a federal vote being legal, so your statement about leaving citizenship out of federal voting makes no sense and in fact contradicts law.

>Arizona needs to stop shirking it’s responsibility to its residents

Can you tell me what you're referring to here?

> We have a national ID issue which needs to be fixed.

What is that issue? It is not apparent to me that REAL ID solves a real problem.

Who said anything about REALID solving the national ID problem? We need to replace SSNs with a modern identity system.

Ok. Why do you say so? What would be the benefit?

I don’t believe for one second that you don’t already know, but ok here you go.

https://www.ssa.gov/fraud/#:~:text=How%20to%20report%20fraud....

Thanks for the reference. Your idea is that maintaining an official national database of people, linked to driver's licenses, would make it harder to commit fraud; is that right?

This was a genuine question. It's not obvious to me why it would matter which primary key people used in their customer databases, but fraud is also not something I worry about or really even think about.

Nope. As I’ve said other places in this thread we should replace the social security card and number with a modern identity system.

Currently your SSN is your client secret, but it’s a terrible one and we should replace it with a more robust secret. I shouldn’t be able to steal your identity by knowing a short number with minimal entropy.