Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by owaislone on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:26AM
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Te point OP is making is that being born without tusks is just a random chance, not a response to anything but as a result of this random chance, this elephant has a higher chance of living longer and having more babies resulting in higher chance of the "tuskless gene" being passed on to future generations. The distinction is important to understand evolution correctly. A lot of evolution deniers have a problem with the "intelligent response" aspect of it which doesn't actually exist.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by Ygg2 on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:33AM
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> Te point OP is making is that being born without tusks is just a random chance
Yes. That's how evolution works. Your genes are randomized during life/mating.
Due to selection pressure one variation is favored over the other. That's evolution.
So in evolutionary response to poachers elephants evolve no tusks.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by nverno on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:39AM
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It is pedantic, but I see how 'response' here lends agency to evolution, and could be interpreted as implying an intelligent process, as mentioned above.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by Ygg2 on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:47AM
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Same way any inanimate system can respond. Think of it more like action/reaction than anything else. I.e. there is no agency just a set of interacting rules.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by nverno on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:01AM
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Yea, I think the original wording is fine, although I'd think of it more like the elephant genes are a river that got dammed, so the river started flowing around. Saying the river responded to the dam would be similar.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by fastball on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:11AM
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If anyone think evolution has "agency" because the word "response" was used, I'm not sure how productively that person can participate in a conversation about such.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by akvadrako on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:18AM
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Evolution is an intelligence in the same way people call anything AI: it's a system which can learn and adapt.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by throw827474737 on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:07AM
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You are overly pedantic as well :D
(Noone thinks that "getting born" involves intelligence choosing, the point you are repeating applies sometimes, but here out of context imo.)
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by owaislone on Monday December 05, 2022 @10:58PM
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I know people who used to think evolution is by design or somehow intelligent. Maybe it was a byproduct of the education system in my part of the world and yours did a better job but I've come across a lot of people who think like that. I feel it is an important distinction to make to avoid propagating such misconceptions about science.
Re:Elephants born without tusks in ‘evolutionary response’ t...
by refurb on Monday December 05, 2022 @06:40AM
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You are correct.
Evolution is not a process by which beneficial genes are created, it's one where they are filtered for.
Across thousands of baby elephants there are a likely hundreds of unique genetic differences. Most are worthless, some are detrimental, and some of beneficial. Evolution is just the process by which the beneficial ones thrive.
It's literally pressure from environment influencing evolution.
Or an evolutionary response.