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Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by pessimizer on Sunday December 04, 2022 @06:23PM (#33859183)
When you impose a decision on someone they do not like, they do not have to play the victim, they are the victim. We can discuss whether they are a victim that you sympathize with or whether you think that they deserve their treatment, but accusing them of "playing the victim" is about as profound and distracting as accusing people of "playing the race card."

edit: I need to add that it is also intellectually dishonest to dismiss arguments based on who you think the arguments have been designed to appeal to.

Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by flebron on Sunday December 04, 2022 @06:26PM (#33859201)
That seems a weird use of the word. By that notion, every convicted criminal is a victim, because the court imposed a sentence that they, presumably, do not like. This removes practically all meaning from the word "victim". In common parlance, well-understood consequences of one's own actions occurring does not make one a victim.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by pessimizer on Sunday December 04, 2022 @06:30PM (#33859243)
> This removes practically all meaning from the word "victim".

No, it removes the personal judgement from the word "victim," where we decide whether a particular victim deserves their punishment as a preliminary to discussing their situation.

edit: i.e. where sympathetic people who are killed are victims, and unsympathetic people are killed are being portrayed as victims. It's an attempt to distract from the material facts of a situation with arguments about language.

Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by enkid on Sunday December 04, 2022 @07:23PM (#33859712)
But your original reply didn't say "he didn't call himself a victim," it tried to argue why he was a victim. The gp to this reply was pointing out how absurd your definition of victim is. It's not making an argument about whether or not he called himself a victim, it makes an argument about what you yourself defined as a victim.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by pessimizer on Sunday December 04, 2022 @07:44PM (#33859878)
I've made that argument, and you can accept it or not. The larger point is that accusing people of playing victims is always a distraction from actual argument, and the entire thread is evidence of that. It started with irrelevance and ended nowhere.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by posterboy on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:42PM (#33860335)
> The larger point is that accusing people of playing victims is always a distraction from actual argume

Yes, and when they are really playing they become the victim of their own ploy.

Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by bdowling on Monday December 05, 2022 @01:05AM (#33862053)
If a court ignored the law and imposed a criminal sentence merely because it didn't like the defendant, then that would be an injustice and you would call the convicted person a victim.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by epgui on Sunday December 04, 2022 @07:11PM (#33859613)
Point of order: a non-domain-expert produced a thing he called a “documentary”, and then he was criticized for totally reasonable reasons by actual subject matter experts. Using the word “cancel” in this context is petty.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by moloch-hai on Sunday December 04, 2022 @07:53PM (#33859955)
It is petty if it specifically avoids mention of any of the evidence, and instead invents groundless personal accusations.

Hancock is being proved right about his accusers.

Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by posterboy on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:47PM (#33860376)
It's damning evidence enough that Netflix aren't having an expert on the show, isn't it?
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by moloch-hai on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:15PM (#33860587)
Might depend on whether they were invited and declined.

But inventing spurious ad hominem accusations instead of offering a plausible counter-narrative is not a good look.

Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by epgui on Monday December 05, 2022 @12:24AM (#33861802)
What exactly are you referring to when you say “ad hominem accusations”? I don’t follow.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by moloch-hai on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:07AM (#33862816)
Calling him racist.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by epgui on Monday December 05, 2022 @03:47AM (#33863060)
They don't call him racist. Read the referenced material carefully.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by moloch-hai on Monday December 05, 2022 @09:00AM (#33865711)
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by epgui on Monday December 05, 2022 @08:15PM (#33874553)
Even that article does not call the guy racist. Please point to me a sentence or phrase in there that calls the guy racist.
Re:Archaeologists Ask Netflix to Reclassify Graham Hancock’s... by moloch-hai on Tuesday December 06, 2022 @12:17AM (#33876208)
"But the whole theory is steeped in racism and white supremacy, so it's not just harmless entertainment."

"He will get to the edge of something, but he won't say it, because he knows that his followers already know it. He can say, 'I didn't say that,' and he didn't say it, but everyone knew what he said because it was already known, right?"

How much accusation do you need?