Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by laputan_machine on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:03PM
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You (the child) do not get to pick the outcome. Hence it is a lottery.
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Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by tdba on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:10PM
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Who is the "you"? Nothing more than the result of this process... unless you believe people exist metaphysically before having a corporeal presence? In which case you essentially believe in a soul, which is not a very secular belief at all.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by scatterhead on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:12PM
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Nothing about the parent's comment assumed a metaphysical identity.
It's unambiguously true that no one chose their genes or their childhood environment. That statement doesn't require a metaphysical chooser who might have made the choice.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by tdba on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:17PM
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No one chooses their genes because to a very important extent you are your genes. There is no meaningful "you" that could have done the choosing.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by scatterhead on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:22PM
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The fact that it could not be otherwise doesn't make it incoherent to say that you didn't choose your genes.
What's the underlying point you're trying to get across? It doesn't seem like a productive thing to go on about.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by cuteboy19 on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:38PM
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That is not true. People may share genes but may not share identity
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by tdba on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:56PM
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As I said, to a very important extent it is true. Identical twins have a lot more in common than any other two people, even close siblings, often even when they are separated at birth. This gets us into semantics about what "identity" is, but that is indeed the issue that I'm trying to raise anyway.
> Modern twin studies have concluded that almost all traits are partly influenced by genetic differences.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by eikenberry on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:10PM
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The child is the outcome, not the winner/loser. The child is more akin to the reward the lottery gives out than the person getting the lottery. Closest participant to that would be the parents who are getting a "lottery" child... as they (currently) have no deliberate control over the genetic expressions.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by scatterhead on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:15PM
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> The child is more akin to the reward the lottery gives out than the person getting the lottery.
You seem to be missing the point that we are stuck with who we are. Our mental and physical faculties are handed down to us. We receive them, even though they define us. We experience ourselves.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by eikenberry on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:16PM
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We don't "receive them", we are them. Unless you, as another poster pointed out, believe in the Guf or similar.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by pixl97 on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:48PM
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Eh, we completely receive them and as technology improves our makers will have increased options on which ones we receive, especially if we're wealthy.
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by 0ct4via on Saturday December 03, 2022 @07:06PM
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[Eugenics has entered the chat]
Re:The Truth Matters and Secular Humanists Should Defend It
by eikenberry on Saturday December 03, 2022 @11:55PM
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So you think souls exist before people are born and so can be lucky. Got it.