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Re:The Twitter Files by nequo on Saturday December 03, 2022 @01:47PM (#33846119)
You are implying that Biden violated 1A and that Twitter acted because they were forced. I don’t agree with either statement.
Re:The Twitter Files by stale2002 on Saturday December 03, 2022 @01:51PM (#33846158)
Actually I am saying this : "The biden team, was behind the scenes trying to get content/speech removed from a major platform.".

And I am saying that this has a chilling effect on speech.

At no point did I say that the Supreme Court unanimously ordered Biden to be arrested for life for 1st amendment violations, or whatever other strawman that I did not say.

So, once again. You could have just said "Yes, you are correct. Biden's team did reach out to a platform to have content removed. "

Re:The Twitter Files by nequo on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:44PM (#33847136)
> And I am saying that this has a chilling effect on speech.

See, I don’t agree with this. Trump tried to achieve the exact opposite. He and many in the GOP made it clear that they wanted the Hunter story to be kept on the agenda. If Twitter was pushed leftward by the Biden team, they were also pushed rightward by Trump and the GOP who wanted Twitter to do the exact opposite.

The outcome is at best a net zero chilling effect.

There is no logical reason to believe that a candidate has a greater chilling effect than the sitting President and the Senate majority. You have to believe in some sort of a conspiracy to think that this was the case.

Re:The Twitter Files by stale2002 on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:55PM (#33847813)
> u have to believe in some sort of a conspiracy to think that this was the case.

I am saying that an action has a chilling effect.

No matter how many times you bring up other actions, it remains the case that the action that I brought up has a chilling effect.

What you are doing is engaging in bad faith, by using a tactic called "whataboutism". No matter what your opinions are, on other politicians, my original point stands.

A former president, who is running for president, having their team reach to to a social media platform to have content removed, has a chilling effect, regardless of anything else that other politicians are doing.

If you are a bad faith actor, then you can continue to engage in whataboutism, without directly engaging with this point, I guess.

Re:The Twitter Files by nequo on Saturday December 03, 2022 @05:48PM (#33848295)
I’m sorry, the reason that I’m bringing up Trump is not whataboutism. But to point out that Biden was not in government, there was no clear expectation that he would ever be in government again, and that if Twitter made its decisions about those tweets based on political leverage, then they would have left the tweets up instead of removing them.
Re:The Twitter Files by stale2002 on Saturday December 03, 2022 @06:58PM (#33848882)
> But to point out that Biden was not in government

Things can still have a chilling effect even if someone is not literally in government right now.

Such as, for example, if the team making the requests is the political campaign of a former vice president, who is currently running for president.

No matter what bad things you think other people have done, it does not invalidate this point.

If your next statement is something of the effect of "Well what about this other thing that this other politician did!" in any way or reference what so ever, I am just going to take that as you admitting that you are acting in bad faith.