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Re:The Twitter Files by zaroth on Saturday December 03, 2022 @12:59AM (#33841081)
The point isn’t that Twitter felt compelled. Isn’t the point that Twitter happily complied, and even made up reasons to censor the stuff they thought was the most damaging “in order to prevent another 2016”.
Re:The Twitter Files by cormacrelf on Saturday December 03, 2022 @01:10AM (#33841126)
The point is that if you don’t like that, take it up with twitter. Framing it as government forcibly censoring twitter is just straight up untrue.

Insofar as the Biden campaign is concerned, it is impossible to violate 1A when you are not imbued with government power. There is no such thing as a private citizen compelling Twitter to take something down, the only possible thing you can be doing is requesting. Both campaigns did this so feel free to draw your own conclusions as to whether the Trump campaign did something wrong, but I will point you to the word “campaign” and note that a campaign is also a private party, so pretty unlikely.

Re:The Twitter Files by zaroth on Saturday December 03, 2022 @01:41AM (#33841285)
I would never frame this as Twitter being forced to do anything. I don’t think this is a 1A issue. But I think several things are surprising here.

First, how deeply rooted democratic operatives within Twitter took totally unprecedented action to censor a potentially highly damaging story.

Second, that Twitter publicly lied about their justification for doing so, which itself probably broke laws (at the very least a serious FTC enforcement action). Companies cannot lie that something was done because of a TOS violation. Consumers have a fair and reasonable expectation here that was violated when the company made up reasons for censoring the story - even in DMs!

Third, the chaotic response within Twitter and its internal paralysis in recognizing and “unfucking” the hijacking of their toolset for overly political and nefarious purpose.

Fourth, and this one really just irks me because it was gaslighting on a national scale, that so many channels and people picked up and ran with the “disinformation” and the particularly ridiculous “Russian disinformation” angle in an attempt to discredit the reporting.

Re:The Twitter Files by tomrod on Saturday December 03, 2022 @02:29AM (#33841512)
Hey, "democratic operatives" embedded somewhere is conspiratorial. The parsimonious explanation, which is where most people align, is that the content violated the terms of service as determined by Twitter. That's the conclusion supported by the new evidence as well.

Good luck out there.

Re:The Twitter Files by knewter on Saturday December 03, 2022 @02:48AM (#33841607)
We're skipping the whole "avoid another 2016" part of it?
Re:The Twitter Files by oceanplexian on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:38AM (#33842148)
It’s not like they were CIA operatives, when people say that, they mean it’s a revolving door. The NYT has repeatedly printed stories about how Google employees who volunteered w/ the DNC were a big part of the reason President Obama was elected. A huge number of people working in the Democrat party are ex-FAANG.

I’m not making judgements, people should support political movements they believe in, but at a certain point it affects your ability to be impartial. It’s obvious that you don’t get to play the game unless you’re playing for the right team. The fact that Twitter employees might be biased isn’t all that much of a conspiracy.

Re:The Twitter Files by camgunz on Saturday December 03, 2022 @12:51PM (#33845500)
I think you underestimate the effect 2016 Russian disinformation campaigns had on social media companies. If Twitter's default policy is "it stays on the site", it's inviting hoards of garbage on the site in early November every cycle. That's pretty bad for its usability and its future, especially since the people who are running in those elections play a key role in regulating it.

Your post works really hard to characterize Twitter employees as "nefarious" "[D]emocratic operatives" who "publicly lied", "broke laws", and engaged in "gaslighting on a national scale", which frankly I think is baseless and unproductive. But putting that aside, it seems to me that the nature of running a communications platform like Twitter is that there's always someone who thinks this about you. The stakes are pretty high, especially around elections. I'm not a fan of social media, in particular I think Twitter on balance has been pretty bad for humanity, but my reasoning isn't that it's particularly good or bad for a given viewpoint (which seems to be yours). I think what they're trying to do is impossible, they will always fail, and there will always be big negative consequences.

For example, Twitter could've let this story ride. But it's not about Joe Biden, it's about Hunter Biden, and there's no vetted evidence of JB wrongdoing. But if JB loses the election because of this, well that's a huge failure for Twitter also. Or they can build a huge investigative unit that competes with all the disinformation bureaus of all the worlds' governments, but that's clearly a losing proposition.

We get a lot of kicks from armchair quarterbacking and our "I would fix Twitter in two shakes with my enlightened moderation policies" (at least one of us got pretty carried away with this and spent $44B to take a swing) wind-bagging, or alleging some mix of corruption and incompetence. They're a pretty good punching bag. But it's worth saying some reasonably smart people have dedicated their professional lives to solving these problems, and pretty clearly they failed. I think this is probably because what they were trying to do, while noble, is impossible. You can't make a global, public communications platform that all the world's dignitaries use that is (reasonably) free of disinformation and acceptable to all major participating parties. Hell you probably can't even do it for just the Republican and Democratic parties, let alone Germany + China.

What you can do is sell out to them over and over again, which is probably what EM will do. Twitter will become a wasteland of propaganda and banal marketing, trading whatever bona fides it has left for exposure on its platform. It's essentially a private equity buyout of Twitter's attention capital. I think the previous leadership team was wise to this, I'm pretty sure EM still isn't (he burned a lot of their attention capital in a 2 day bonfire), but give it a few weeks.

Re:The Twitter Files by hgfdhgdfhgdf on Saturday December 03, 2022 @01:19AM (#33841175)
The point is that social media with vast influence is taking cues from one political party.
Re:The Twitter Files by cormacrelf on Saturday December 03, 2022 @01:32AM (#33841240)
Mate, one of the alleged bits of "censorship" was a request to take down... literally nude photos of Biden's son posted from a Chinese-language account. Anyone can ask for that to be taken down and Twitter will say yes. It's not improper to say yes just because the person asking happens to be running for President. Twitter is not under an obligation to distribute non-consensual nude photos just because the person involved is a celebrity. Imagine if that were the rule.
Re:The Twitter Files by cozos on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:29AM (#33842097)
And you're just going to ignore the censored NYT article due to "hacked content""?
Re:The Twitter Files by Sightline on Saturday December 03, 2022 @05:45AM (#33842455)
Yes because it's clearly a campaign to make shit up since the Republicans didn't want to lose. Have you not heard Steve Bannon talk about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Js2Qk7hpg

Re:The Twitter Files by misnome on Saturday December 03, 2022 @04:53AM (#33842212)
*both political parties
Re:The Twitter Files by dane-pgp on Saturday December 03, 2022 @05:15PM (#33848012)
* the two big (to fail) political parties
Re:The Twitter Files by _kbh_ on Saturday December 03, 2022 @09:19AM (#33843644)
Did you miss the part where they literally actioned requests from both parties?.
Re:The Twitter Files by wesleywt on Saturday December 03, 2022 @02:04AM (#33841376)
I doubt naked pictures of a candidate son is as damaging as the leader of the FBI saying they investigating a candidate before her election.
Re:The Twitter Files by gregw2 on Saturday December 03, 2022 @07:29AM (#33842971)
To be fair, I think giving 10 to the “big man”, a unverifiable email but which was vouched to by another recipient of the email (do they have a copy with a DKIM signature? I never saw that asked/answered), was the more relevant claim than the son with nudity.

If you mean that some(all?) the particular tweets mentioned as censored by Tabibbi were about frontal nudity and thus reasonably censored I am not arguing.

Re:The Twitter Files by sjwalter on Saturday December 03, 2022 @01:16PM (#33845804)
There was not a second of doubt that the emails were legitimate. Here's proof: the Biden campaign and Hunter himself never denied they were real. As well, while nobody in the mainstream bothered calling any of the people in the emails, Taibbi DID. They were obviously real the moment there was no denial. Because if they were just fabricated, denial would be the first public response.
Re:The Twitter Files by tootie on Saturday December 03, 2022 @09:01AM (#33843523)
I mean, so what? They can do what they want. We already knew what they did. The leaked communication conforms pretty well to their public explanation. You just don't like it. Go try Truth Social then.
Re:The Twitter Files by s3p on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:25PM (#33860682)
Ok, and?