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Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by tomcam on Friday December 02, 2022 @01:49PM (#33834955)
Did Steph Curry or Kobe Bryant harm basketball because they plain worked harder than everyone else? Prince in the recording studio? Did they cause a race to the bottom?
Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by lostdog on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:10PM (#33835280)
Steph Curry injured his ankle in the 2010 preseason. He failed to recover properly, leading to surgeries and an ankle that keeps failing.

We can speculate whether overwork is related to Prince's drug addiction and eventual death.

So yeah, failing to rest properly does have bad consequences.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by tomcam on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:26PM (#33839809)
Point was race to the bottom, not "bad consequences"
Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by lostdog on Saturday December 03, 2022 @12:33AM (#33840947)
Ok, I'll fill in the blanks here. The race to the bottom happens because other coaches and players see Curry practicing and playing on a schedule that's unhealthy and feel that they need to do the same thing, so they also fail to recover from their injuries.

So yes, overworking does create a race to the bottom.

To pop up a level, your comparison is very bad. In Twitter's case, the "model" behavior is that engineers are working longer hours, and not whether they are producing better results. A better analogy would be a sports player who trained extra hard and extra long, but didn't improve their level of play, but still all other players were expected to work extra long hours anyways.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by fnimick on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:23PM (#33835453)
Yes? They raise the bar for every other player. Great as a spectator, bad as a participant.

Don't turn our field into one where you have to sacrifice your personal life to succeed.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by tomcam on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:28PM (#33839832)
> Don't turn our field into one where you have to sacrifice your personal life to succeed.

I'm glad you think I have that much power! Seriously I'm not suggesting any such thing. But why shouldn't people who work harder reap the benefits. And more to the point, does that cause a race to the bottom?

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by ghostbrainalpha on Friday December 02, 2022 @02:11PM (#33835292)
Prince recorded his first album by himself and played all 21 instruments, so he's not the perfect example for this.

Michael Jordan might be a great example though, he worked harder then anyone else, and ALSO raised the standard of how hard people needed to work on the team beyond the normal limits.

They all did benefit from the Championships that followed, but it was certainly also a strain of the mental health of players like Dennis Rodman.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by tomcam on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:29PM (#33839839)
> Prince recorded his first album by himself and played all 21 instruments, so he's not the perfect example for this.

Why isn't he a good example? He worked hard and wrote a bunch of good music. He didn't seem to cause a race to the bottom.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by ghostbrainalpha on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:42PM (#33870778)
I thought the parallels was that his hard work would have caused on a strain on his bandmates, which it didn't, because he didn't really have any.

I thought Band Mates was the best comparison, because we were talking about fellow employee's suffering at a company. And if your comparison was of Prince to The Music Industry at large, it sort of works, but sort of doesn't because other musicians are Prince's competitors not team mates.

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by ilyt on Friday December 02, 2022 @05:17PM (#33837699)
Pay me their salary and I'd be all the happy to work weekends.

Hell, I'd be able to buy a house after a month.

What a fucking stupid comparison...

Re:Twitter engineer: I thought I’d been hacked. It turned ou... by tomcam on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:27PM (#33839815)
The comparison is hard workers vs less hard workers, and the former causing a race to the bottom. Mind telling me why the comparison is stupid?