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Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by mattmaroon on Monday October 20, 2008 @03:32PM (#338227)
iTunes/iPod are the most tyrannical because they're the only place Apple is in charge. It's not right to excuse their DRM practices just because most music isn't purchased from it. It's still the number 1 music retailer. They've sold over 5 billion songs, most with DRM. They use a proprietary system to create vendor lock in.

Their NDA for the iPhone, and the tyranny over the application store, are worse than anything Microsoft has done to the consumer. They're just limited in scope by the fact that they own such a small % of the overall phone market, but if they ever get the kind of market share there that Windows has, everyone will hate them far more.

Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by unalone on Monday October 20, 2008 @03:43PM (#338242)
But with iTunes, Jobs moved quickly to make iTunes Plus a possibility. And it's got more DRM-free music than its next-largest competitor, Amazon, does.
Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by mattmaroon on Monday October 20, 2008 @04:02PM (#338258)
Moved quickly? It took over 6 years.
Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by superjohan on Monday October 20, 2008 @04:29PM (#338287)
The iTunes Store hasn't existed six years.
Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by mattmaroon on Monday October 20, 2008 @04:59PM (#338316)
You're right, I'm sorry, I was looking at the date for the program, not the store. It was 4 years.
Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by unalone on Monday October 20, 2008 @04:23PM (#338275)
The record companies are ceding ground very slowly. But Apple's been pushing for a long time. I mean, honestly, what do they have to GAIN from DRM? It's all a matter of the people they deal with.
Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by mattmaroon on Monday October 20, 2008 @05:01PM (#338320)
They gain vendor lock-in. Everyone who buys songs from iTunes with DRM is forced to either buy iPods forever, or lose the ability to play them on their player of choice.

Without the DRM, we'd see a much more fragmented player market. iPods might still be the leaders, but they'd almost certainly have a lower market share.

Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by unalone on Monday October 20, 2008 @05:26PM (#338339)
I agree that that would have lost Apple some ground, but I think they'd still be vastly ahead of other people. The DRM doesn't stick people. The incredible branding does.

People think iPod sounds reliable, and MP3 player sounds unstable. They go for the iPod because they think it's the only one there is.

Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by jimbokun on Monday October 20, 2008 @04:51PM (#338306)
Just to reiterate, what you say is true, and I pointed out I conceded pretty much your major points to coworkers at Apple when I worked there (it was just a couple coworkers, and just a one time comment, but it did get a laugh of agreement).

My only argument is that Apple has caused much less damage than Microsoft because they have been less successful, and in that sense Microsoft maintains the greater negative karma balance. Difference between attempted murder and committed murder, I suppose.

Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by mattmaroon on Monday October 20, 2008 @05:04PM (#338321)
To be honest, I have no negative feelings about either. They're both just doing what they feel is in their own best interests. That's the responsibility of a corporation.

I find the grudge most people in the community have against MS a little juvenile and not very well-reasoned.

Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by jimbokun on Monday October 20, 2008 @11:36PM (#338624)
I suspect age difference has an effect, here.

Since Netscape was taken down, we've seen a world where hackers can execute an idea and become successful based on their execution, sometimes abundantly so. I do not think it's accidental that this period largely coincides with Microsoft losing their anti-trust case.

Before then, Microsoft would just wait until a market formed, then take it over or destroy it by bundling something with one of their monopoly products. People who had a dream of creating a successful software business knew Microsoft's business practices made that extremely unlikely.

So, yes, many developers who were around during Microsoft's heyday likely are carrying a grudge that must seem juvenile to anyone familiar with the much less threatening Microsoft of today. Whether it's juvenile to have bad feelings towards an organization that snuffed out a lot of optimism and ambition, I'll leave to you to decide.

Re:Apple responds to "I'm a PC" by shutter on Tuesday October 21, 2008 @12:11AM (#338650)
These days I'm not concerned about Microsoft -- the companies that concern hackers w/r/t overtaking their product would be Apple and Google.