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Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by jehb on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:19AM (#33817353)
This comments feels a little ambiguous, and driving replies for two separate issues.

At a societal level, is an imbalanced population pyramid a problem? Yes, and many countries are solving this by opening up immigration options.

Should an individual opting not to have children be expected to have negative consequences in old age? IMHO, no.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by willcipriano on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:23AM (#33817427)
> opening up immigration options

Unless they are getting immigrants from off world, that is at best a game of musical chairs. Birth rates are plummeting globally.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by jehb on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:41AM (#33817713)
This is misleading. Birth rates globally are still above replacement level. Even if they weren't, immigration still provides opportunities for people to move from areas of higher relative birth rate to areas of lower relative rate, should they choose to.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by willcipriano on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:44AM (#33817762)
Global warming alarmism is similarly misleading, the current climate can easily support human life.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by istjohn on Thursday December 01, 2022 @11:53AM (#33818955)
It's called climate change for a reason.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by willcipriano on Thursday December 01, 2022 @02:29PM (#33821418)
Birth rates are depicted over time for a reason.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by missedthecue on Thursday December 01, 2022 @01:12PM (#33820148)
it's not really misleading at all. Places like Vietnam, the Philippines, Thailand, India, Bangladesh, and Malaysia all had birth rates below replacement in 2021.

Sure, you can still find nice big numbers in places like Niger in sub-saharan Africa, but even they are starting a sharp decline. And they are starting with a low base. Their entire national population is only the size of the greater NYC area.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by notch656a on Thursday December 01, 2022 @10:57AM (#33817986)
What you're describing is tragedy of the commons. No negative consequences to not having children, but big negative disproportional cost to the parents raising them. With disproportionately privatized losses and socialized gains.

People often say you shouldn't have kids for your own retirement. In the ultimately hypocrisy, they often mean kids will be for everybody's retirement (when they're forced to pay social security taxes as adults).

The economic incentive is to let others have kids and shoulder disproportionately the costs, while you can free ride and "not have negative consequences." Immigration doesn't solve this problem at the system level as removing children from foreign tax pool into our domestic pool shifts benefits from one elderly person to another.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by AdrianB1 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:03PM (#33819114)
> Should an individual opting not to have children be expected to have negative consequences in old age? IMHO, no.

The question is then who will care for these people when they get old? Other people's children? So other people should have children, put the effort to raise and educate them for your benefit? This is a very egotistic view.

Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by jehb on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:39PM (#33819620)
I would argue that expecting your children to care for you is actually far more egotistic than merely expecting a social safety net for all people to exist.
Re:Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought by AdrianB1 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @03:17PM (#33822104)
I did not say that in any means, shape or form. I said that all people need someone to help them when they are old, so all people have some responsibility these "someone". The "someone" are children of people, so society needs people to have children that will become adults and be part of society; all people, if possible (medical conditions are usually the accepted exception).